Does this baby deserve parents like this?

[Spyke]

why would it be more of an incentive to have the kid with her to stop the drug addiction? she would already have what she wants so she probably wouldn't have the will to stop but if someone agreed that she could have her baby back if she did her jail sentence on best behaviour and over came her addiction, she would probably have more of an incentive to turn her ways around.

[Hitcher]

she would probably have more of an incentive to turn her ways around.

The cynic in me says "Yeah, right". She could then have her baby AND her addiction. Lovely.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I havn't read through the hole post but there is one part the gets me and that where they say how is she going to get over her drug addiction but they also say she was breast feeding this baby. What the f---k good is her breast milk going to do this baby anyway.

[magicfairy]

I havn't read through the hole post but there is one part the gets me and that where they say how is she going to get over her drug addiction but they also say she was breast feeding this baby. What the f---k good is her breast milk going to do this baby anyway.

I expect that since she was incarcerated, she wasn't consuming drugs at the time.
For the record cannabis isn't physically addictive - like opiates or P. Psychologically maybe but not physically. We don't know the full story but so quick to judge and write her off.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

We don't know the full story but so quick to judge and write her off.

Sorry i'm not writing her off and i don't care what drug she is taking she should still not be breast feeding with any sort of addiction.

[crashe]

We are not in the UK and are not set up for proper care of mother and baby....

No, I agree, we are not in the UK, but we should have the same set up here as well.

The self care unit in Arohata Prison IS setup for proper care of both mother and baby but due to her higher level of security she is unable to be in that unit, otherwise reality is she would have her child for 6 months in the unit and then the baby would be sent to family etc to be cared for.

As Bull states, we apparently do have it set up in Arohata Women's Prison.
Which is great for the mothers who have babies to help them get taught the basic's of looking after little ones and to bond with their child.


Bull, do you know if there is anything set up in the Mt Eden Women's section of the prison?

[BuFfY]

I think it is about right that the baby got taken off the mother. She should have to prove that she is worthy of being a parent before being given the baby in jail. Yes it would be bloody hard to have your baby taken off you, but in jail you shouldn't be allowed such privileges.
I would be terrified to think I spent the first year or two of my life in jail! And I would be thankful that my grandparents had me instead.
But I think that it is something that needs to be decided upon case by case.

[Beemer]

Which is great for the mothers who have babies to help them get taught the basic's of looking after little ones and to bond with their child.

Watch out, Hitcher is keeping an eye on this thread and he will castigate you for the incorrect use of an apostrophe!

I'll probably get flamed mercilessly for this but I don't give a shit which prison the mother is in, the fact that she has been taking drugs and also supplying them to others is reason enough for her to be denied contact with her baby. She should have thought of the consequences of her actions BEFORE she decided to start a family. What's that, I hear you say? She didn't plan on getting pregnant? No, she probably didn't. But she did know what she was doing when she was selling drugs. Having children is a privilege, not a right, and that right should be denied to those who have shown by their actions that they don't deserve it.

People who SELL drugs most likely USE them as well. I imagine the baby would be getting a steady supply from the air it breathed as well as from the breast milk.

And Magic Fairy, if you think once a person goes to jail their access to drugs is cut off, you must be away with the fairies!

[MisterD]

Cheyenne Tonihi, 23, is receiving grief counselling and taking anti-depressants for the loss, a Wellington District Court judge has been told.

Her daughter lives with her grandmother in Hawke's Bay, too far away to regularly visit Arohata Prison at Tawa.

Cheyenne?! If that's what the grandmother called her daughter, she's not a fit person to be looking after the baby either....

[Beemer]

Cheyenne?! If that's what the grandmother called her daughter, she's not a fit person to be looking after the baby either....

You're not wrong, wonder what the kid's called? Shakita? Diddymo? Or perhaps the favourite on another thread - Labia? Just the thing for a lippy kid!

[Patrick]

They took the kid and now she uses that as the excuse to continue her addiction instead of overcoming it...

Most likely approaching the end of her term and wants to set up her new and improved DPB payment....

And Majicfairy... shes in prison, not using drugs???


That was funny....

[bull]

Cheyenne?! If that's what the grandmother called her daughter, she's not a fit person to be looking after the baby either....

We condemn this girl as going to be a bad parent because she is allready in jail and the system sees fit to hand the baby to grandmother.

Isnt this grandmother the same person whom raised a daughter that is now in jail, isnt this just a cruel cycle?

Agreed the mother shouldnt have the baby back until she has gotten lower security risk and is able to be moved to the self care units, but surely Corrections could do everything possible to do reassessments on her to see if she does now qualify for self care?

Sad sad story, and even the most optimistic of people surely couldnt see a bright future for said child.

[bull]

Bull, do you know if there is anything set up in the Mt Eden Women's section of the prison?

Sorry i have no knowledge of the prisons in Auckland.

[Beemer]

Isnt this grandmother the same person whom raised a daughter that is now in jail, isnt this just a cruel cycle?

Sad sad story, and even the most optimistic of people surely couldnt see a bright future for said child.

I just hope that the grandmother isn't as bad as the parents of this baby and that she won't be responsible for another generation ending up in prison.

I'm surprised no one has blamed the media yet. Funny how we get blasted for reporting on lowlife criminals when they end up in prison, yet when one gives a sob story about how the system has taken away her baby, we are the ones they run to for publicity.

[mstriumph]

............i was adopted out at birth as well, and im also ok.

get the baby out now, while it still has a chance. leaving it in that situation can only push things furthur down the wrong path.

no reason you shouldn't be ok - adoptive parents have to go thru much more rigorous testing than natural parents before being permitted a child

- personally i wish i had been adopted out - took me YEARS to shake free of my mother's drugs-of-choice [namely power, status and the almighty pound stirling] .....

I know that Finn won't want to believe it but it's perfectly possible to be a totally shitty parent without being a lowlife, jailbird or welfare dependant .....