It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 16:52

Originally Posted by alexthekidd

So you're saying you would just shoot this person who has entered your house, not knowing if it's your kid getting up in the night to get a glass of water?

ROFL. Good heavens. Are you starting off on some sort of Grand Tour of Logical Fallacies here, or what?

I said nothing of the sort. Failing to positively identify the target before pulling the trigger on a firearm is akin to driving with your eyes closed. Stop being silly.

**Paul in NZ** · 17th April 2007, 16:52

Far out - just had a thought re this....

Imagine a class full of 'responsible' geeks with gun licenses... Madman busts in and pops a few rounds into the class killing a few due to the shock and suddenly the rest of the class's fantasy comes true and they simulateously pull out their 9mm semi autos and let rip.... Fark - wonder how many would survive?

**Street Gerbil** · 17th April 2007, 16:54

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Any country that refuses to sort its gun "ownership" issues can expect events like this to occur regularly. And they do.

Actually it is a perfect illustration as to why forbidding gun ownership leads to tragedy. VTech campus was declared a "gun-free zone" and as a result only the bad guy was armed.
Proper registration laws (requiring extensive training) can take care of excessive trigger-happiness.

**ManDownUnder** · 17th April 2007, 16:54

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Far out - just had a thought re this....

Imagine a class full of 'responsible' geeks with gun licenses... Madman busts in and pops a few rounds into the class killing a few due to the shock and suddenly the rest of the class's fantasy comes true and they simulateously pull out their 9mm semi autos and let rip.... Fark - wonder how many would survive?

errrr... all bar those the madman took out - or did I miss something?

**Sniper** · 17th April 2007, 16:54

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Far out - just had a thought re this....

Imagine a class full of 'responsible' geeks with gun licenses... Madman busts in and pops a few rounds into the class killing a few due to the shock and suddenly the rest of the class's fantasy comes true and they simulateously pull out their 9mm semi autos and let rip.... Fark - wonder how many would survive?

Well, as long as all the barrels were pointing in the same direction, most the folk at the back of the class would

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 16:55

Originally Posted by Sniper

Fish is one of those who I would trust to shoot your tiny dick off at 500 yards

Awww, shucks, dude.

Actually, I'm offended. At 500 yards, I'd aim for CM...

**The Pastor** · 17th April 2007, 16:56

Originally Posted by Hitcher

So you're saying the perpetrator would have been able to kill 22 people randomly without the use of a firearm?

It could be done with a knife or a bat, just takes more plannning.

Now if everyone had a gun, this wouldnt be a problem would it...............

**Sniper** · 17th April 2007, 16:56

Originally Posted by Fish

Awww, shucks, dude.

Actually, I'm offended. At 500 yards, I'd aim for CM...

Shit, sorry. I'll go alter it to say 1000 yards, sound better?

Which reminds me, did my first smallbore in 3 years last night, walked away with a very respectable 98.4

**Finn** · 17th April 2007, 16:58

There are over 11 million privately owned firearms in Canada and it's no real problem unless you're a moose.

**Sniper** · 17th April 2007, 16:58

Originally Posted by Finn

There are over 11 million privately owned firearms in Canada and it's no real problem unless you're a moose.

Everyone knows Canada isn't a real country though

**ManDownUnder** · 17th April 2007, 16:59

Originally Posted by renegade master

It could be done with a knife or a bat, just takes more plannning.

Now if everyone had a gun, this wouldnt be a problem would it...............

Actually it could - if no-one knows what the hell they're doing - or they're all trigger happy.

I'm NOT advocating global rights to own a gun - my whole focus is on the reponsible use of guns. There's a HUGE difference

**alexthekidd** · 17th April 2007, 17:02

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Actually it could - if no-one knows what the hell they're doing - or they're all trigger happy.

I'm NOT advocating global rights to own a gun - my whole focus is on the reponsible use of guns. There's a HUGE difference

So where in responsible is a Semi Auto 9MM Pistol?

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 17:02

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Imagine a class full of 'responsible' geeks with gun licenses...

Nuh-uh.

Here's a good example of what really happens when a responsible armed citizen is faced with such a situation.

Background details of that situation (as discussed in the glocktalk.com LEO forum at the time): robber walked in, presented a pistol, fired a shot into the ceiling, demanded money. Clerk drew and fired three shots from his Glock, all hitting robber in torso. Robber ran and collapsed just outside door. He survived and was sentenced to 8 years jail, if I recall correctly.

Clerk got a pat on the back from the local PD.

Now that's what should have happened at Virginia Tech.

**Sniper** · 17th April 2007, 17:04

Originally Posted by alexthekidd

So where in responsible is a Semi Auto 9MM Pistol?

People who use them for target shooting? Folk in law enforcement.

Mum used to carry a 9mm on her everyday, I never saw her get pissed off at the little old lady at the front of the que and gun down the store. An believe me, mum could get feirce when she wanted to.