Does this baby deserve parents like this?

[Beemer]

Patrick,beemer your twisted sick and heartless. Imune from the hypocrisy current laws concerning alcohol and tobacco present.

Do you speak English? Our sick and twisted what? I don't smoke and I certainly don't drink to excess - or sell home-brewed stuff - so what point are you trying to make? Assuming you have a point, that is.

[BarBender]

I make NO apology for my views on people who become involved in selling illegal drugs and if that sickens you, tough shit. This woman was not just smoking dope, she was SELLING it to others. She and her partner (assuming they are a couple, he may have just been the sperm donor) were both into drugs at the very least and this baby was obviously going to be brought up in a house where drugs and the sale of them was a part of life. I - and many others in this thread - do not believe that is acceptable.

You are right though, this mother will have a huge chip on her shoulder but I doubt it will come from being deprived of the baby she doesn't deserve to have in the first place. It will come from people like you who repeatedly tell her she isn't such a bad person and selling drugs isn't such a bad thing.

Thanks for the red rep. Sad to see that my having morals and a dislike for illegal drugs warrants that kind of response.

I've often wondered what it must have been like to have worked for a company like Bristish Tabacco, Rothmans or Malborough during the 70's and early 80's - a time when it was socially acceptable to sell and distribute tabbacco. Nobody can tell me that these people didn't know what they didnt know. Based on your arguement it doesnt make sense to me that these motherfarkers were ever allowed to make substantial coin and breed...and to this day they continue to do so and now focus their marketing on our kids.

Fark the spread more love PC shit. We're taking about the natural right of a woman to speak out for what naturally belongs to her. Regardless of what they are and who they are and under what circumstances...Wherein the process does she get to express her opinion as a 'mother'?

Unfortunately for her it is in court.
If the decision goes her way hopefully with support she'll make the right call on where the baby will go. If the decision doesnt go her way..ah well...another citizen with a chip on their shoulder.

[Grahameeboy]

Why such a fuss, she will be out in 5 months so best the child is looked after in a more stable environment, Mother gets out and part of her rehabilitation will to get to know her child etc under supervision until she is seen fit to look after the child full time.

Sounds like the lawyers are getting the kudos here.

Child comes first and whilst it is sad, child needs a stable Mother.

[jazbug5]

So: who here actually knows all the facts in this case?

Where did the assertion that she was 'selling to kids' come from? What drugs are actually involved here- just pot (sorry, in my view pot really is a 'just' category drug, even though I don't think it's totally harmless), or harder drugs?

I'm sure it's been pointed out already, but how many parents out there drink to excess and screw up their kids with violence and other messed up behaviour associated typically with alcohol? Is that automatically ok because it's 'legal'? Surely not.

To separate a child from its parents is an extreme measure: if it's genuinely at risk, then perhaps there is no alternative- but it's a dangerous thing to allow the breaking up of families on the basis that the authorities do not 'approve' of them; it can lead to quite serious and far reaching damage to the lives of people involved, and does not generally result in enlightened behaviour all round.

[BarBender]

I've often wondered how many babies it takes to make a bottle of Baby Oil.

Naughty.

I've often wondered how its possible to balance a bottle of baby oil, a box of tissues and the DVD remote on the arm chair of the lazyboy....

Too much time on your hands Finnius??

[mstriumph]

As a mother I couldnt think of anything more painful then losing your own baby, and would fully understand that she would need anti depressents to help her cope. ...........................................

I used to think that - until aforementioned offspring reached her teens ........ it was only THEN that i needed anti-depressants to help me cope!!!!

... joking .......

[Grahameeboy]

So: who here actually knows all the facts in this case?

Where did the assertion that she was 'selling to kids' come from? What drugs are actually involved here- just pot (sorry, in my view pot really is a 'just' category drug, even though I don't think it's totally harmless), or harder drugs?

I'm sure it's been pointed out already, but how many parents out there drink to excess and screw up their kids with violence and other messed up behaviour associated typically with alcohol? Is that automatically ok because it's 'legal'? Surely not.

To separate a child from its parents is an extreme measure: if it's genuinely at risk, then perhaps there is no alternative- but it's a dangerous thing to allow the breaking up of families on the basis that the authorities do not 'approve' of them; it can lead to quite serious and far reaching damage to the lives of people involved, and does not generally result in enlightened behaviour all round.

Agree but Mother is only serving a 5 month sentence and could get out early for good behaviour...........so in the whole scheme of things I am sure child will be okay from this incident, hopefully this whole thing will make the Mother think about what is more important in life...........it could have been different if she had not been caught, gave birth and carried on her 'Drug' lifestyle so looking at things from this angle what has happened cannot be a bad thing.

[SixPackBack]

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[Grahameeboy]

Cops will regurgitate the same tired old shite that has been programmed into them, that and the process of criminalizing the general public keeps them in work.

Your red neck opinion is meaningless.

There must be a remote button for 'My Sixpacket' TV.......then we could know what he said before he said it................and then rewind........

[SixPackBack]

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[stelartia]

Considering the fact both parents are currently in jail, I doubt very much that they received good parenting themselves, so allowing the baby to stay within the family is only going to perpetuate the cycle.

And I'm afraid I have to agree with Finn - some people should not be allowed to breed.

bad parenting or not their old enough to take the consequences for thier own actions.
guess what one consequence is? coz they went to jail they dont see their child.
would be more of an insentive for a better parent

and yeah...agree

[SixPackBack]

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[crashe]

I've often wondered what it must have been like to have worked for a company like Bristish Tabacco, Rothmans or Malborough during the 70's and early 80's - a time when it was socially acceptable to sell and distribute tabbacco. Nobody can tell me that these people didn't know what they didnt know.

pm sent to you re this quote.

[u4ea]

I will keep my opinions of beemer and patrick to myself(theyre both to busy being blowhards to listen anyway)If this gal had a history of hard drugs and or selling to people under 18 then maybe she was aware that society has a tiny problem with this.If she was just selling a bit of weed as the government hasnt found a way of taxing it(its ok to decriminilise prostitution which has many drug deals over tax payed fees)then the judge was a bit harsh.The cops would be better placed if we had a system where they could arrest and see fair penalty of the HARD criminals.Taking a baby off a mother who is in prison is cruel if just for innocent repettative pot sales.The dad was probably the grower who got his arse licked by the law.So an easy case for the officers aye.?????I never smoked tobacco around my baby and to this day never smoke pot around my child ... if any one sold it to him before hes 18 ill be livid!!I liken it to alcahol and tobacco......god I say it gambling!!!!Does that mean I deserved to go to jail and lose my child because I may have a bit of personal weed which I choose to use in a controlled manner.........whatever......one law doesnt work for everybody.....it just keeps cops in a job and gas in the bags

[jrandom]

I make NO apology for my views... Sad to see that my having morals and a dislike for illegal drugs warrants that kind of response.

So...

If you lived in Amsterdam, you'd be cool with the mum smoking weed, inasmuch as it wouldn't be illegal?

Glad to see you're not deviating from your programming.

You know, it was people just like you who voted Hitler into power in the 1930s.