Is binning becoming more socially acceptable?

**cowboyz** · 21st April 2007, 12:04

I spent quite a few years riding dirt before getting my first road bike about 3 years ago. Riding trail rides on xr200, xr400 and my aging it200 we would search out the hills where the challenge became tougher than the one before. People would fall, all the time. I would fall off about 5 times a day but every single time someone went down they had the piss taken out of them. Even in jest.

Now with road riding it seems that the attitude is that every one is going to fall off at some stage so it is acceptable part of riding to fall off. Even if there was some dumb shit going on before the bin it is more of a case of "oh well, the bike can be replaced."

Is this PR advanced 101 and no one wants to offend anyone or more of a cause of you have to fall off at some stage so it is just a part of riding?

**yungatart** · 21st April 2007, 12:06

I got heaps (still getting it, actually) when I binned! I don't think its socially acceptable..and I certainly felt like right prat, when I fell off!

**James Deuce** · 21st April 2007, 12:07

Originally Posted by cowboyz

Is this PR advanced 101 and no one wants to offend anyone or more of a cause of you have to fall off at some stage so it is just a part of riding?

Yes it is PC rubbish, and I'm with Ixion on this one. You don't HAVE to fall off at all and it should be avoided at every opportunity.

There is also far too much abrogation of personal responsibility for falling off. To fall off you HAVE to screw up something, somewhere, somehow, even if it is just riding along in a daydream.

There are a few people who think about what happened and then describe or discuss what they think happened. This is a positive thing and means that they probably won't make that mistake again.

Of all the bins in the last 18 months there has only been ONE that is so far out of left field that it could almost be considered an Act of Dog, and that is Hitcher's STX1300 write off that was caused by an inexperienced goober throwing his borrowed automatic RAV4 into reverse while in a passing lane. Thanks to Hitcher's frankness, we all have the opportunity to avoid the cognitive dissonance that caused Hitcher to delay application of his brakes until it was too late.

One doesn't often see reversing lights in front of you on the open road.

I think you have to exercise judgment in taking the piss though, some people come out of an accident with the mental resilience to cope with ridicule. Some don't. Then there are the accidents that cause significant damage to an individual, such as IL4's accident. I hope that people have the good taste behave responsibly in that situation, but as we've seen, some people just don't GAF.

**MSTRS:Me** · 21st April 2007, 12:26

There was another thread along these lines a while ago...I said that falling off was not acceptable nor mandatory, but given enough time was likely. Jim2 is right - happens when mistakes are made, and are we not all human?

**Devil** · 21st April 2007, 12:27

Originally Posted by Jim2

Yes it is PC rubbish, and I'm with Ixion on this one. You don't HAVE to fall off at all and it should be avoided at every opportunity.

There is also far too much abrogation of personal responsibility for falling off. To fall off you HAVE to screw up something, somewhere, somehow, even if it is just riding along in a daydream.

Quoted for truth.

**The Pastor** · 21st April 2007, 12:30

the poll is kinda lame.

Yes it is now socailly accecptable, and it should be ridiculed at every opertuinty.

Hey look at me I fell off my bike cos I can't ride, ive only been riding 20 odd years.

although if its not your fault and you fall off (although you can always say "I should of seen that car/diesl/bananna/......) then its ok to bitch about the basterd to werkd ur bike. But I wouldnt.

**Motu** · 21st April 2007, 13:02

I think people on this site just seem to over react on any small thing - when I went over the bars of my pushbike I got notes of sympathy.For fucks sake,it was as funny as hell and my own family cracked up when I told them,what's the big deal? In my 20's we kept a tally of prangs between us on the wall of my mates shed,it was no competition,just a bit of fun.

**xwhatsit** · 21st April 2007, 13:20

It's more socially acceptable when you call it a `bin'.

It's called `crashing'.

**RantyDave** · 21st April 2007, 16:03

Originally Posted by Jim2

Hitcher's STX1300 write off that was caused by an inexperienced goober throwing his borrowed automatic RAV4 into reverse while in a passing lane.

Holy F**K! Is this recent? Is he OK?

Dave

**Grahameeboy** · 21st April 2007, 16:17

I had one 'bin' in 1985 when hit by a hit and run.

I ride with the idea of getting home. I refrain from keeping up with the Gixxers on group rides.............when thinking of overtaking, I have an 'overtaking point'....kinda like a braking point.....it's a sixth sense and when that kicks in I know that I can pass at another point so no rush..that is the beauty of bikes.....so much power but no need to rush or be silly.

The last thing I need is to get bin my bike and get injured because it would affect my ability to look after my Daughter so I often hold back on group rides and prefer to ride within myself....I am generally onlt a few minutes behind anyway.....not enough to worry about.

Bins should be left to throw your rubbish in on Sunday night.

**James Deuce** · 21st April 2007, 16:53

Originally Posted by RantyDave

Holy F**K! Is this recent? Is he OK?

Dave

No not recent. But it is why he has an FJR1300 now.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...t=Hitcher+Rav4

**R6_kid:Me** · 21st April 2007, 16:58

you're all fucked. If you fall off its your fault. This is of course where it is a single person accident. I dont think its acceptable. Most people post about their crashes to get some sympathy, whether they know it or not, im pretty sure i did when i look back at the posts i have crashed. I think people find it funny to some extent when someone makes out like they are a 'fast' rider and end up dicking themselves by riding to hard (but lets face it crashing isnt funny).

It's not part of biking if you ride carefully and responsibly, but it is bound to happen sooner or later if you dont stay within your boundaries.

**cowboyz** · 21st April 2007, 17:00

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I had one 'bin' in 1985 when hit by a hit and run.

I ride with the idea of getting home. I refrain from keeping up with the Gixxers on group rides.............when thinking of overtaking, I have an 'overtaking point'....kinda like a braking point.....it's a sixth sense and when that kicks in I know that I can pass at another point so no rush..that is the beauty of bikes.....so much power but no need to rush or be silly.

The last thing I need is to get bin my bike and get injured because it would affect my ability to look after my Daughter so I often hold back on group rides and prefer to ride within myself....I am generally onlt a few minutes behind anyway.....not enough to worry about.

Bins should be left to throw your rubbish in on Sunday night.

good work. That is what the ashhurst rides are all about. We are a small group with a wide range of bikes and skill levels. Everyone rides at their own pace and waits at stops for others. I run middle ground and dont mind that. We have had one crash in 2 years which was a young fella who got a bit excited on a really bad corner. After making sure he was ok I gave him a bit of a hard time for throwing his bike away.

**cowboyz** · 21st April 2007, 17:02

Originally Posted by Jim2

No not recent. But it is why he has an FJR1300 now.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...t=Hitcher+Rav4

yes I remember this and it was some serious shit luck.

**R6_kid:Me** · 21st April 2007, 17:05

it might pay to clarify that a 'bin' is when you fuckup by yourself \, not when you are caused to crash due to someone pulling out, or getting involved in an 'accident'...