Knee on ground on public road

[mark247]

Im guessing you are a reckless rider, apart from that you are probably an OK rider at best, you still have a lot to learn

Look guys im not condoning any dangerous / bad / reckless / whatever you want to call it riding here but i just want to sort a few things out. I go to polytech with Tom and out of everyone on kiwibiker I am the only person who actually knows him well ( MidnightMike and Quartermile, i know you have met him. And yes Mike he did give you a free coke =P )

Personally, i used to ride pretty hardout on the road and take a few chances, but i have learnt since then ( quartermile, feel free to talk like an adult and tell me im wrong. ) I ride reasonbly carefully now and always make sure i know whats around me etc etc. I still ride sometimes at 120kmh etc etc like a lot of riders do, though, im not a perfect citizen. Every time i have ridden with Tom to and from tech i have never seen him do anything stupid on the road, now i cant vouch for him every time he has ridden, i know he has done a few stupid things in the past, so have i, but everyone does. None of you guys are perfect as some of you would like to make out to be. I find it great that you guys are trying to help a fellow rider and teach him a few things or two about riding, and i know a lot of you guys are just trying to do whats best. But you guys are really assuming a lot of things and saying pretty imature threatening things to a guy who may come across the wrong way ( its the internet, have some of you never talked to people in real life before and realised its A LOT different than some thread on the internet. ) Maybe if he introduced himself before he started writing threads about "get your knee down" and "you can live on avocados haha and started sharing his somewhat unique opinion on things. Now i know Tom is not a perfect rider, nobody is, but he is a good guy and I have no problem with him. I know the tyre down to the canvas was bad, yes yes yes, but seriously guys. Give him a break. I know he likes to talk about how he is racing the winter series and i know he likes to show off ( Come on Tom, you know im right =P ) but just leave him be. He is a good guy, most of you guys have no idea ( moan as much as you want but you guys dont know him, period. ) I know threads and chatting on the internet envolves a lot of assumptions when figuring out how a person really is, but you guys are way off. Im not trying to act like Toms big brother on here, im just trying to say it how it really is.

Im sure if Tom was random guy i had never met, i wouldnt be defending him like his, but i certainly wouldnt be writing some of the stuff you guys have written. To be perfectly honest, i wouldnt of posted at all.

You guys are trying to do whats right, but it just isnt working ( this thread is like 12 pages now, if comments on his riding had worked this thread would of finished at page 6 or something. )

[Morcs]

im sick of this shit im not wasteing any more of my time on this thread

Waaaay too much red rep methinks

[sunhuntin]

You guys are trying to do whats right, but it just isnt working ( this thread is like 12 pages now, if comments on his riding had worked this thread would of finished at page 6 or something. )

well, that being the case, i stand by my comment of him not leaving too big a mess for people like speedie, firefight and scumdog to clean up.

[btw, we are on page 14 now....]

[mark247]

well, that being the case, i stand by my comment of him not leaving too big a mess for people like speedie, firefight and scumdog to clean up.

[btw, we are on page 14 now....]

I guessed the page, sorry for the inconvienience.

The reason why im say it should of finished at page 6 is because people are just repeating one and other now trying to get there 2cents in which are exactly the same as what has already been said.

[Colapop]

I think the Mods aren't working hard enough here!

[Waylander]

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[jonbuoy]

Is this really any more dangerous than pulling a wheelie?? (other than the fact its just after a 30 zone) I only see it as a bit try hard.

[White trash]

My $0.02 (Not that anyone will be interested and everyone's probably gone home)

At age 17, I had an RGV250 and rode everywhere flat out. I mean everywhere.

Managed to get myself quite a reputation amongst my friends. Rumours would filter back through the good ol' grapevine about the really fast guy on the RGV who got his knee down everywhere and kicked everybodies arse.

At the time, I thought I was a fucken good rider. I always felt in control, and well within my comfort zone. One thing bugged me. Why the fuck did I keep falling off? I was always in my comfort zone, always bad luck.

14 years on and reflecting on my past riding habits, I'm mystified why the hell I'm still alive.

[Quartermile]

Is this really any more dangerous than pulling a wheelie?? (other than the fact its just after a 30 zone) I only see it as a bit try hard.

I think now its less that but more other comments he's made

Personally, i used to ride pretty hardout on the road and take a few chances, but i have learnt since then ( quartermile, feel free to talk like an adult and tell me im wrong. ) I ride reasonbly carefully now and always make sure i know whats around me etc etc. I still ride sometimes at 120kmh etc etc like a lot of riders do, though, im not a perfect citizen. Every time i have ridden with Tom to and from tech i have never seen him do anything stupid on the road, now i cant vouch for him every time he has ridden, i know he has done a few stupid things in the past, so have i, but everyone does. None of you guys are perfect as some of you would like to make out to be. I find it great that you guys are trying to help a fellow rider and teach him a few things or two about riding, and i know a lot of you guys are just trying to do whats best. But you guys are really assuming a lot of things and saying pretty imature threatening things to a guy who may come across the wrong way ( its the internet, have some of you never talked to people in real life before and realised its A LOT different than some thread on the internet. ) Maybe if he introduced himself before he started writing threads about "get your knee down" and "you can live on avocados haha and started sharing his somewhat unique opinion on things. Now i know Tom is not a perfect rider, nobody is, but he is a good guy and I have no problem with him. I know the tyre down to the canvas was bad, yes yes yes, but seriously guys. Give him a break. I know he likes to talk about how he is racing the winter series and i know he likes to show off ( Come on Tom, you know im right =P ) but just leave him be. He is a good guy, most of you guys have no idea ( moan as much as you want but you guys dont know him, period. ) I know threads and chatting on the internet envolves a lot of assumptions when figuring out how a person really is, but you guys are way off. Im not trying to act like Toms big brother on here, im just trying to say it how it really is.

I don't think anyone here is saying they're perfect infact they're saying the opposite really pointing out their mistakes so others can learn from them, "Smart people learn from their mistakes, Really smart people learn from others mistakes"

[Reckless]

I guessed the page, sorry for the inconvienience.

The reason why im say it should of finished at page 6 is because people are just repeating one and other now trying to get there 2cents in which are exactly the same as what has already been said.

Maybe just maybe we are concerned,
maybe just maybe our 2 cents worth is all 1 opinion bought on by the comments made,
maybe just maybe we are saying the same thing over and over because the message just isn't getting through!

[mark247]

Maybe just maybe we are concerned,
maybe just maybe our 2 cents worth is all 1 opinion bought on by the comments made,
maybe just maybe we are saying the same thing over and over because the message just isn't getting through!

How do you know its not getting through to him. He is defending himself because in the mits of all these great messages hes being given total shit. A few of you fellas have no idea how to get a message through to someone, guilt tripping, insulting, and convicting is not the way to give a message to a guy who just wanted to talk about getting his knee down. This thread has really given me a different opinion of kiwibiker forums.

[enigma51]

Cant sat I ever got my knee down took fucking dangerous

I also think most of the time its a bit of a wank factor and looking cool

[Biff]

Quit insulting fellow KBers please everyone. I've just spent 10 mins moving posts from here into PD, and I really can't be arsed to do it again.

Constructive criticism is good, as is sharing experiences and opinions. But flaming someone is liable to get you infracted. And unless you've a can of KY handy - you don't want that to happen. Unless you ride a Honda.

[cowpoos]

Cant sat I ever got my knee down took fucking dangerous

I also think most of the time its a bit of a wank factor and looking cool

funnyt how envious people always say that...lol...stir stir stir!!

[Bruiser]

How do you know its not getting through to him. He is defending himself because in the mits of all these great messages hes being given total shit. A few of you fellas have no idea how to get a message through to someone, guilt tripping, insulting, and convicting is not the way to give a message to a guy who just wanted to talk about getting his knee down. This thread has really given me a different opinion of kiwibiker forums.

Mark/Tom,

Look past the "guilt tripping, insulting, and convicting " and you'll also find some sage advice from wise, skilled and experienced riders. Some of these folk may be opiniated, but they have also buried friends who were as bulletproof, hard-out, fearless as Tom claims to be.

Why don't you give some thought to our motivation? A large number of us know some very very competent riders who maintained thier skills and their bikes with an almost perfectionist fervour, who have lost their lives due to pushing the limit, riding at 100%, a few milliseconds of inattention or for simply catching a bad break. Every time this happens we all hurt, especially when it is a well-respected forum-mate.

The last six months has seen this forum lose some very talented, race-proven track and road riders. And we are all growing sick and tired of the dreaded "Biker down" threads which are invariably followed by sad posts announcing hospital visiting times or funeral notices. A large number of these guys were intelilgent, skilled, experienced riders. Tom, can you put your hand on your heart and claim similar virtues? Please put aside your ego and listen to the messages emploring you to rethink your attitdue to your riding skills and bike maintenance.

Tom, when we read posts such as yours full of recklessness, boasting and sheer bluster, and from a relative newby, it is only reasonable that some will share the above experiences with the hope that ppl like you will see the sheer stupidity of their words, deeds and intentions.

"guilt tripping, insulting, and convicting..." ? no, not at all.

Expressing our exasperation at the arrogance of youth, sharing our own experiences, hoping against hope that Tom (and others) will pick up on it, will get past their dented egos, and perhaps save a life (even the lives of others)... THATis our motivation, and our hope.

Some may have trouble expressing themselves to you in such a way that you don't take offence, but be very clear about this, most of those who are critical of your attitude are genuinely attempting to ensure that one day you are an old codger giving a silly young man the chance of learning from your mistakes and experiences so they make it to 30.

Rant over.