Two weird things learnt today; re a basher and an anti-smacker

[Fatjim]

Sue Bradford is a slapper.

[Littleman]

I think its quite patronising how history remembers women not for how intelligent they were but the fact 'they gave it a good go'. Well done(pats on the head) now just move along Sue....

To answer your question... lots of baggage and determination but essentially low IQ.

Classic projection.... but we haven't all been the recipient of disfunctional parents so don't make it an issure for everyone.

[deanohit]

She is a politician in the worst sense of the word. Obnoxious and demeaning if you don't suit her purpose or disagree with her...

i dont like her at all.she could do with gettin some accurate facts before quoting some bullshit.I'm also a 4x4er besides a motorcyclist and was told to leave a public speech of hers after loudly disagreeing (unoffensively) with her when she made a comment about 'gas guzzling 4wds',now my truck had a 2.3litre engine in it,while alot of cars have engines up to 3 times larger.when i tried to point this out to her,she whispered to a nearby policeman who then came and told me to leave and if i didnt,they would escort me down to the local copshop.now i thought a politicians job was to listen to what the people want and find a compromise so everyone is happy.sorry but she doesnt do that along with the majority of the goverment.

[Mr. Peanut]

I don't think she's unintelligent. She's appealing to a certain audience.

You're bikers, remember?

[howdamnhard]

She's a retard. Pure and simple. Dumb as a box of hammers.

And you need to hang out with better people.

What he said. She purports to care about our children by introducing a bill which supposedly protects them from abuse when the original laws sufficed but were simply not enforced.Therefore her new bill will be equaly ineffective if not enforced and will have absolutely no effect on those that would abuse children.She represents a party that supports cannabis use,a drug which has been shown to negatively alter young developing minds permantly but at the same time she "cares" about them.Go figure!

[Disco Dan]

I bet she likes being spanked...

[Grahameeboy]

What he said. She purports to care about our children by introducing a bill which supposedly protects them from abuse when the original laws sufficed but were simply not enforced.Therefore her new bill will be equaly ineffective if not enforced and will have absolutely no effect on those that would abuse children.She represents a party that supports cannabis use,a drug which has been shown to negatively alter young developing minds permantly but at the same time she "cares" about them.Go figure!

Give the bill a chance..............the new Bill may make it easier for the Police to enforce over time............

Bad parenting, abuse is shown to negatively alter young developing minds too......and she cares about them.

[Mully]

Give the bill a chance..............the new Bill may make it easier for the Police to enforce over time......

The old section 59 (reasonable force) was perfectly enforceable. The court system should have been defining Reasonable in the course of the law's life.

If the court was unable or unwilling to do this, all Bradford (and the remainder of the Gummint) had to do, rather than forcing through a law that a vast majority didn't want, was to define "reasonable", for example:

"Reasonable force by a parent or guardian is defined as an open handed slap to the buttocks, legs, hands or arms. Use of an implement, or contact with the head, is not considered reasonable"

I would have done that for free. Does anyone want to take a wild guess guess what this debacle cost the country?

[Skyryder]

With politicians of Sue Bradford's calibre, the best New Zealand can ever hope to achieve is "mediocrity" and that would be in a good year, John.

There is a difference between the calibre of a politician and the policies that they espouse. Bradford came to the fore of the public with her 'Anti smacking Bill. The pros and cons of that Bill have nothing to do with her calibre as a politician. There are only a few politicians that I have respect for a but that does not mean that I endorse their policies. It is their political savy that gets my respect not their policies or what they stand for. Bradford got her bill through Parliment with about 80% of the population opposed to it.

It is unprecedented in NZ politics.

With all due respect OR that should tell you something about her calibre as a politician.
Skyryder

[Flatcap]

I would say Sue Bradford is more appealing than Helen Clark, the same way that a good firm turd is more appealing to bilious diarrhaea

[Skyryder]

The old section 59 (reasonable force) was perfectly enforceable. The court system should have been defining Reasonable in the course of the law's life.

It's not up to the Court System to define reasonable force but the jury.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

......and she cares about them.

Yep it's one of Bradford's redeeming qualities...........caring................she went into bat for the thousands of unemployed during Labours flirt with Rodgernomics. No one else cared. And she has gone into bat for those who are unable to defend themselves from parents who believe that inflicting pain on their children is a right based on biblical interpretation. I don't recall Jesus having a stick in his hand when he said "Suffer the children to come unto me."

Skyryder

[MSTRS:Me]

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Bradford ....

So have I

She's appealing to a certain audience....

...a small one, at that.

[Mully]

It's not up to the Court System to define reasonable force but the jury.

That's what I meant. The jury, as part of the court system, should have been doing that.

The people who have been beating their kids to death will not be persuaded otherwise by this bill. Millions of taxpayer (i.e. yours and mine) dollars have been wasted on a piece of legislation which will achieve absolutely nothing.

The reality is, Bradford, in addition to most politicians (there are a few exceptions), would be incapable of holding a real world job down, and certainly not senior management positions.

[avgas]

If she is smart cookie answer me this:
"How does someone get an MA in Chinese?"
Considering there is no such language as "Chinese"
Does this mean that she speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese....a few hundred dialects in China (as similar as english and french), Malaysian Dialects, Mongolian Dialects....etc
She must also know how to write in about 5 different sets of characters and know the tens of thousands of sounds/characters that is involved.
Or can she just order takeaways? Pinyin and Mandarin only?
Don't even get me started in history and political studies.