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    Something like 50% of wealth is with the top 10% of the population. Unfortunately if this family was able to better manage their finances, or had more wealth to begin with, this situation would have been avoided. We live in a low wage economy so many people espescially in the main centres are struggling. To me this isnt a oh look at this, this is typical of this ethnic group... or oh look this is typical of white people in their offices to cut off the power and dehumanize the customers.

    Its more to do with poor decision making and ones responsibilities. I criticize the families actions becuase with the infomation at hand, I see that they could have avoided this situation. what ethnicity they are well I couldnt care less.

    I also criticize the lifestyle and financial management of some people that are in the areas of the lower economic spectrum. I dont earn much and I can struggle too, but it comes down to paying my dues before buying any toys. Hence why I still do not have a bike grrr.

    And I do not think that making an open implied threat like that over an internet forum is the best way to deal with it. I can understand using a few harsh words to get your opinion across in no uncertain term (even if opinions are like a#%holes,everybody has one) but this does strike me as a little heavy. In saying that I do sort of have an understanding on how you feel. I wanted to deal to the pricks that broke into my car and flogged over a grand of gear. But its the actions that you actually take, not those you would like to do that define ones character.

    I think Pathos raises some very valid points, but it msut be recognised that the device was not intended to be in permanent use and this is a key point. However hindsight is 20/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lias View Post
    Personally I'm going to boycott Mercury & Mighty River power for apologising and giving the family 10grand. Spineless fucking cowards should have stood their ground and refused to apologise and refused to give them a cent. Absolutely disgusted they caved in.

    I really want to goto the funeral with a loudhailer and chant "Pay your fucking bills" or something to show how pissed off I am.
    I totally agree. Mercury had my sympathy until they started grovelling, obviously at the behest of Herr Clark.

    As for being racist - is this how New Zealanders should be treating others, no matter what the circumstances - from Stuff today:

    "With lava-lavas wrapped around their corporate suits, power company bosses endured a two-hour outdoor vigil as the family of Folole Muliaga grieved inside her Auckland home.

    Coached in Samoan customs by members of their staff, Mighty River chairwoman Carole Durbin and chief executive Doug Heffernan and Mercury Energy general manager James Moulder went to Mangere yesterday afternoon to express their remorse.

    But they were left standing outside for more than two hours before the family relented and invited them in.

    Prime Minister Helen Clark arrived while they waited, but offered nothing more than a frosty look as she walked straight past them.

    Once allowed inside, the group sat crossed-legged on mats spread across the living room floor, surrounded by family members.

    The gifts they offered were put through a theatrical examination. Two women snatched up the mats and displayed them for all to see, then in mock contempt tossed them aside. Flowers and an envelope containing a cheque for $10,000 followed."

    I bet the cheque wasn't treated with contempt and as soon as they left I bet they started singing again - "we're in the money". Helen Clark deserves a good slapping for her treatment of Mercury's bosses - but then the poor and the union supporters are her target market, so she's not going to do anything to upset them, is she.

    Wearing lava-lavas? I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous.

    And for all of you out there calling those who are not on the family's side racist, take a long hard look at yourselves before making comments like that. If this family were European, Chinese, Indian, English, Yanks, etc, I would be making exactly the same statements. The only difference is, most of those ethnicities would have sought help for their mother if they thought for a minute she was in danger of dying. And I am sorry, but I am not going to apologise for stating the obvious, that most of the family members are obese and need to start taking care of their health if they don't want to meet the same fate as their mother.

    Blaming the power company for a death that occurred THREE hours after the power was switched off, during which time NO attempts were made to help this woman, is morally wrong. If my family couldn't afford to pay the power bill, I'd get a part-time job to help out. At least two of the kids were old enough to do this. And her doctors have publictly stated the oxygen was NOT a life support system so I do not accept that turning the power off in any way resulted in her death.

    I just hope the autopsy results show she died from cardiac arrest or pneumonia, brought on by gross obesity. Which can happen if you are black, white or yellow, and is not your power company's fault.
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    How I see the subject of this thread.

    Emotions aside:

    Ethnicity has nothing to do with this, a New Zealand citizen died and a family member referred it to the public media circus arena.

    It is now a New Zealand situation being discussed by members of this Internet forum that has far reaching boundaries.

    So many men, so many opinions!

    People here just comment as they see it on what they have gleaned from what the family, through the media, presents to them.

    The family can't now pick and choose what they will allow us to read, view and comment on just to suit their own objectives.

    Freedom of speech is still legal in this country as long as it is within the bounds of the current laws.

    WE have expressed our views of what that family has told us occurred when their mother died.

    They did not ask for our respect, in the end they will, or will not, have earned that! John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delerium View Post
    And I do not think that making an open implied threat like that over an internet forum is the best way to deal with it. I can understand using a few harsh words to get your opinion across in no uncertain term (even if opinions are like a#%holes,everybody has one) but this does strike me as a little heavy.
    Are you referring to me??
    If you are - you come across patronising.
    Secondly - 'actions that you actually take define ones character??" This aint Batman motherfarker!
    Finally - I dont give a flying fuck how it strikes you.

    I dont make threats. Its a fact. If someone were getting their giggles off a member of my family who had died - Id be on them!
    My key point was that this forum sometimes forgets two important things:
    1. How small this country really is
    2. The line between respect and disrespect
    What - only friends and family who have kinfold die in motorcycle accidents get privileges in here?

    Go talk to your Raro friend and see if he or she can help you understand what we're on about here.

    If your quote doesnt refer to me - Well then - happy to buy you a beer.

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    Well, as a lot of people have recently speculated...this just in:

    "The obesity-related heart and lung disease which was killing Folole Muliaga, 44, was being kept at bay by a cocktail of powerful medication - not the electricity-powered machine which helped her breathe."

    Taken from: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10443390

    A point of interest. This story is suddenly and magically a lower news item rather than dominating the main story on The Herald.

    Oh shit, our journalism supporting the family doesn't seem so hot anymore?

    Another thing, it turns out that lady was using bullshit, unproven alternative medicine instead of conventional methods.

    Nice job. Good quick 10k for the family though, huh?
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    I agree with you Barbender.....this has turned into a racist attack (by some) using culture as an argument..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    I just hope the autopsy results show she died from cardiac arrest or pneumonia, brought on by gross obesity.
    If it does I'd be willing to bet we wouldn't hear about it, no apologies to the power company would be forthcoming and no money would be refunded to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarBender View Post
    Are you referring to me??
    If you are - you come across patronising.
    Secondly - 'actions that you actually take define ones character??" This aint Batman motherfarker!
    Finally - I dont give a flying fuck how it strikes you.

    I dont make threats. Its a fact. If someone were getting their giggles off a member of my family who had died - Id be on them!
    My key point was that this forum sometimes forgets two important things:
    1. How small this country really is
    2. The line between respect and disrespect
    What - only friends and family who have kinfold die in motorcycle accidents get privileges in here?

    Go talk to your Raro friend and see if he or she can help you understand what we're on about here.

    If your quote doesnt refer to me - Well then - happy to buy you a beer.
    Dont get me wong, It wasnt my intention to patronise anybody at all.
    Fom what you have said here I may have read into your post differently from what you were trying to say... my bad. But yes NZ is a little hobby farm... I can think of a few little expressions that have words to that effect; and they always seem to ring true.

    What - only friends and family who have kinfold die in motorcycle accidents get privileges in here?

    I think that is a DAMN good point. How did the press get a hold of this story anyway? As with many things, this may not be as clear cut and defined as many, including myself are trying to make it out to be. I read yor post now as you saying the importance of family... and that posts can be relevant without sounding offensive, yes? in which case I completely agree also. I wasnt trying to sound like some pschObabble BS, but I think it is what we do that others judge us on. (or not do as the case may be) I may have read too much into your post.
    PEACE

    On a side note: as for the racial overtones, remember, white people commit crime and actions of excessive stupidity too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Sorry Skyryder, I dissagree.

    The family individuals were in control, the power went off, "they" had time and authority to act in their "own" best interest and they failed to provide the necessaries of life for their Mother!

    They didn't even attempt to save her, they just sat around and watched her die, just like the Kahui family did with those twins.

    Whether Mercury should or should not, turn off supply to it's debtors, is a separate issue altogether!

    That's what is wrong with our society, all the issues are emotionally clumped together to gain the best sensational / political impact, regardless of the facts or the consequences.

    God help our grandchildren, if this behaviour continues unchecked! John.
    The post I responded to was about the difference between privatisation and deregulation and the confusion between the two. This post is about blame and that is not what I responded too.

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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...443390&ref=rss

    Quote Originally Posted by herald
    Folole Muliaga was 'gravely ill'
    Page 1 of 2 5:00AM Sunday June 03, 2007
    By David Fisher

    Power cut death

    The woman who died after not paying her power bill was fatally ill when she left hospital and not expected to live much longer, the Herald on Sunday has learned.

    The obesity-related heart and lung disease which was killing Folole Muliaga, 44, was being kept at bay by a cocktail of powerful medication - not the electricity-powered machine which helped her breathe.


    But Muliaga had previously turned her back on using the drugs to seek traditional Samoan health care. Her use of medication will be one focus of the police investigation.

    Muliaga died on Tuesday after a contractor working for Mercury Energy cut off power to the house she shares with her husband Lopaavea and their three children. The loss of power also cut electricity from a machine she was given to assist her breathing - leading to a police investigation into the actions of the contractor.

    Other investigations are also underway in a bid to establish whether the disconnection was related to her death. The power was cut even though the family had made two payments in the last month on their bill, and only owed $168.

    The revelation that Muliaga had previously rejected conventional medical help came as Mercury Energy announced it was suspending all disconnections.

    The chairwoman of the parent company, Mighty River Power, offered a public apology for the tragedy, stating that "no one should ever die because they can't pay a power bill".

    The company that employed the contractor for Mercury revealed it had explicit written instructions to cut the power to the Muliaga home.

    The family announced her body would be returned home today, followed by a private service tomorrow and a public funeral on Wednesday.

    Family spokesman Brendan Sheehan confirmed to the Herald on Sunday: "She was a very ill woman. She was gravely ill." Sheehan said he believed she had been taking her medication but did not know definitely. He also said it was common in Pacific Island families to seek traditional health care.

    Middlemore Hospital bosses have refused to comment further on the case, citing the family's right to privacy. But police will be able to bypass privacy concerns in their investigation and will study medical records showing Muliaga had previously stopped taking medication given to her on release from hospital - instead opting to seek help through traditional Pacific Island healing methods.

    The medication was critical to keeping her alive - although she had been told "her days were numbered", the Herald on Sunday learned.

    Muliaga was suffering from cardiomyopathy - a weakness in the muscle of the heart brought on by a lack of oxygen being carried to the organ. The illness, lung disease and associated breathing difficulties were related to her obesity. She had been admitted to Middlemore Hospital in April and was discharged on May 11.

    Folole Muliaga was 'gravely ill'
    Page 2 of 2 5:00AM Sunday June 03, 2007
    By David Fisher
    Power cut death

    It was not the first time she had been hospitalised since the illness was diagnosed about five years ago. On previous hospital stays for the same problem, Muliaga had been told her lifestyle had to change or her health would not improve. This time, like previous times, she was stabilised and released with medication that would help relieve the symptoms. She was also given the oxygen machine, which is intended to assist her breathing - not to breathe for her.

    When doctors who had treated her heard she had died after the power cut, they were astonished. On release, she was not so ill that the machine was critical to survival.

    Inquiries by the Herald on Sunday have also revealed that efforts by Mercury Energy to contact the family could also have been thwarted by the family phone being disconnected.

    Sheehan confirmed that on Tuesday - the day the power was disconnected - the family did not have a telephone account. It had been reconnected by Friday.

    Family preparations for the funeral today gather speed, with Muliaga's body expected home in a casket donated by Sovereign Industries, a company which manufactures coffins.

    The envelope containing a $10,000 cheque, donated on Friday by Mercury Energy, had not been opened and would be kept for Muliaga's children. Muliaga's family - father, brothers and sister - were due to arrive this morning from Samoa.

    Lopaavea Muliaga spoke yesterday about his wife Folole. "My wife (was) an astoundingly loving mother, a humble mother, a straightforward person.

    "She loved me greatly and deeply loved our children. She loved members of her own family as well as those of mine. She greatly loved her friends who studied with her at university. Most of all she loved her father who is still living today. She was a fighter. Even though she was ill during her time at school, she never thought of giving up."

    He said she was a gentle woman although "moved to anger" when their children would not follow her example. "As a mother, my wife was always calm. No matter how anxious I was and tried to rush her, she was never flustered, she always took her time and answered any questions quietly.

    "Her attitude was proof of the word in the Bible that a soft answer turns away anger. She was a very good mother."

    It's been a long time coming but Mercury has apologised

    Mercury Energy has finally apologised for its role in the tragic death of Folole Muliaga - although would not say what its role was.

    Mighty River Power chairwoman Carole Durbin also announced that all disconnections had been cancelled, and expanded the family's apology to the wider public.

    "I and everyone at Mercury Energy and Mighty River Power are deeply distressed about the events of this week. I wish to thank the Muliaga family for their generosity of spirit in receiving us.

    "As we all know, the police investigation is yet to be concluded. I am here to say sorry publicly to the family and to apologise to the community for our part in this tragedy. Mrs Muliaga died, so clearly something went wrong.

    "I am personally committed and determined to do everything we can to ensure this does not happen again. In the meantime you can be assured that our management advised me that all disconnections have been suspended indefinitely from last Wednesday.

    "No one should ever die because they can't pay a power bill.

    "The tragic events of the past week speak to a wider problem and the solution will involve numerous groups and interests. We will play our part.

    "Finally can I say again just how sorry we are."

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    Once again, the ignorant revert to type and red rep those with differing opinions, using the race card:

    "Racisim is the highest form of ignorance. Now off you go to the nationalist white supremist site and leave us to our motorcycling."

    Thanks terbang, for giving me the biggest laugh I've had all weekend! Considering my cultural background, the white supremists would love me just as much as they would love the Samoans!
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    This latest informations I think hightlights two points. The choice to not follow medical advice which caused her condition to deteriorate. And that the family WAS paying the bill off incrementally. The choice to use traditionaly medication is personal choice and is a case I think of each to their own. Do what you beleive in.

    The fact the bill was being paid incrementally may be part of the motivation for the power company to give compensation and an apology. However The first point, not following any of the medical advice is still a major contributing factor here. Surely one can combine medical advice with traditional methods? or at least a lifestyle change.

    Also the fact that the phone was cut off may have been a contributing factor. Did the power company take all necessary steps to contact the family? I still think that the blame connot rest with the power company however.

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    Without jumping to conclusions I notice that this family was Samoan and they had been in NZ for 6 years. Both parents were working so I guess that they had a modest and comfortable lifestyle (NO stories of dole or benefits there). A WRX in the driveway isn't a crime for a working family isn't it? One of them got sick, had to stop work and times obviously got tough as it would for any of us in the same situation. The power bill didn't get paid, was cut off and the mother in the houshold died. Reason of death yet to be determined. Polynesian people generally tend to be of larger build than Europeans.
    Yet there is a large percentage here that just jump straight into attack mode accusing them of being 'fat' and inferring that they were bludgers on our system. What is most disgracefull is the racial overtones that a lot of the contributors, bikers, here have made. I'll have to give a little credit to lias as, with his signature, he makes no secret of his white extremist leanings (I don't agree with him) but the rest of you shamefully despise these people, pass early judgement and assumptions with regard to their nationality and then squeal with your ruby bling when it looks like you may be exposed for what you are, ignorant. Racism is the highest form of ignorance.
    Racicm is something I have, in my expatriot career, been on the recieving end of as it is not confined to white guys picking on the black guys. My views are not from a leftist leaning but rather from a traveller who has, in the process of picking up two other languages, had his eyes open to the fact that the european train of thought isn't the only one. It is the perception of our kind and their kind and we must be right so we won't consider them at all. Here on this biker forum we can have a couple of racers go out onto a public road on race bikes, flout the laws and kill themeselves in a very public fashion. But its OK and they are cannonised on this site because they are our kind and anyone who dared ask any questions turned ruby. Whereas an immigrant family, going through a rough spot, loses a family member possibly because a power bill was cut and the sentiment is that they ate too much KFC and spent their money on flash cars and sat around speculating on their mothers death...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shcabbeh View Post
    Well, as a lot of people have recently speculated...this just in:

    "The obesity-related heart and lung disease which was killing Folole Muliaga, 44, was being kept at bay by a cocktail of powerful medication - not the electricity-powered machine which helped her breathe."

    Taken from: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10443390

    A point of interest. This story is suddenly and magically a lower news item rather than dominating the main story on The Herald.

    Oh shit, our journalism supporting the family doesn't seem so hot anymore?

    Another thing, it turns out that lady was using bullshit, unproven alternative medicine instead of conventional methods.

    Nice job. Good quick 10k for the family though, huh?
    VERY interesting reading.
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