TL1000S vs Aprilia RSV

[skelstar]

RantyD: Its the top-speed stuff thats a bit of a struggle on my bike. "Cruising" down Princess St is particularly unpleasant in a Southerly headwind...as is just about anywhere...Lake Ferry is bad in at least one direction. Also I feel like I'm pushing the front-end a bit hard, esp going down the otherside of the Takas....I tend to push hard going downhill. I love it.

Touring is no problem as I'm usually nervous about the boys-in-blue. Long kms not a problem at all.

Not interested in the 675 at all...although I'm sure it will make me grin.

[Sensei]

As far a Aprilia's costing $$$$ LOL , don't make assumptions !

[RantyDave]

Its the top-speed stuff thats a bit of a struggle on my bike. "Cruising" down Princess St is particularly unpleasant in a Southerly headwind...as is just about anywhere...Lake Ferry is bad in at least one direction.

So, fairing good. I get that.

Also I feel like I'm pushing the front-end a bit hard, esp going down the otherside of the Takas....I tend to push hard going downhill. I love it.

Ah, better suspension would also be good. I get that too.

Not interested in the 675 at all...although I'm sure it will make me grin.

Can I ask why? Not in a "froth froth offended fanboy" sort of way, but generally why not? Is it the lack of V-twin rumble? The not insignificant damage to one's bank account? The fact that RSV's are pure sex?

Dave

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Can I ask why? Not in a "froth froth offended fanboy" sort of way, but generally why not? Is it the lack of V-twin rumble? The not insignificant damage to one's bank account? The fact that RSV's are pure sex?

Fair question. Umm...think its a bit of a toy and maybe not a good, honest, bike. I feel the same way about GSXR600s and R6s. I don't know why and I know I'm wrong. I suppose theres no way I would consider traveling around the SI on one although I'm sure I could...and would probably love it.

Rumble yes, but maybe the rumble in my empty wallet as well, but there would be other bikes that I would buy first.

[cowpoos]

TLS's can't turn very well... There's a SuperBike magazine video about those, and apparently they handle like crap, unless you like crashing...

you wouldn't have a fuck clue!!

the TL starts poorly, improving with additions, but changing rake and swing arm geometry is probably not sensible on the TL

have a look at the rsv swing arm vs the tl swing arm - which one would you rather be pushing?

what are you talking about?? there is nothing wrong with changing the swingarm angle/rake on a TL if it is done with some understanding of geometry and suspension...

as for the rear swing arm...there is nothing wrong with it...it wouldn't have been released from the factory and thrashed by thousands and thousand of bikers without fail other wise would it?

Same reason you still buy your wife birthday presents........its love

Nice retort!! lol

blah blah blah...TL1000s are cool...I want one.

You know my feelings one these bikes...chuck a ohlins rear shock on the back end...and your away laughing at all these supposed HARD and KNOWLEDGABLE riders that curse them... wobbling swingarms and magnetically attrahed to ditchs...BULLSHIT!!...more like morons that can't fucking rider to save themselves...the TL1000s was and is the most confidence inspiring large road bike I have ever ridden..having sparks flying of the exhaust pipes at the old track at taupo, going around the hairpin and having to lift my foot as my peg folded up [and yes I was hanging off the bike too...not just leaning it over] doing 42's laps times on road rubber!!...scraping pegs up and down the Taka's with ease...wheelies...soo easy to wheelie...it was a fucking whoot!! I can never remeber not having a smile on my face on a ride...wet or dry!! FACT!! the sound...ooooooh the sound!!! with twin 2.5inch race pipes/system...ooooh the sound!!... Also...these are become a bike of ledgend...and I would almost say that in the not to distant future a cult bike!! if you want on skel...buy one...bikes are an emotive thing... not really anything to do with common sence...[why else would you have brought a honda??] so why not buy a bike that emotive as well!!

enough said...

well maybe not...I wish I never traded my old TLs in...and keeped it for the toy it was!!

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Cheers bro.

[98tls]

I must admit this is becoming fun..............whenever theres a conversation about TLs the shit starts flying.........everybodys got a mate that had one throw him off blah blah blah........there an awsome bike.....simple,but dont take my word for it,ive a huge stack of magazine articles on them,you would be hard pressed to find a bad word said in any of them,the NZ magazines loved the thing to bits but it seems that so many other people know better,at there launch in Florida a french journo got a bit carried away and ended up braking both ankles for his trouble, a couple of poms planted them as hedgerow markers the rests history

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I agree...have read lots on the net about them and they always talk about early issues with the bikes but acknowledge that with the rear fixed then they are fine.

I knew it would be an interesting debate, just wanted to know who was going to be on what side.

[RantyDave]

Umm...think its a bit of a toy and maybe not a good, honest, bike. I feel the same way about GSXR600s and R6s.

Ahhh, a bit little - devoid of heft. Like a carbon fibre mountain bike ... all well and good for the first half hour but you'd find yourself limited by not wanting to bend it. Something that would look really stupid with panniers - gotcha.

Considered a VFR800? Mind you, not a patch on an RSV as a sprotsbike.

I suppose theres no way I would consider traveling around the SI on one although I'm sure I could.

No no, I see your point entirely.

Dave

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Ahhh, a bit little - devoid of heft. Like a carbon fibre mountain bike ...

Very well put Dave.

Considered a VFR800? Mind you, not a patch on an RSV as a sprotsbike.

I had until I saw lots in the SI ...no offence to VFR800 owners but they are the classic older man's bike. Sorry...I'm sure they are very capable, but I can't bring myself to own one....for a while.

[Sensei]

Just check he rear damper unit mounting points for signs of repairs or cracking as I'm fixing one right now & they are a hell of alot of work to Fix unless you want to buy a Bitubo shock to do away with this poor design set up .

[Clivoris]

You can take mine for a spin some-time Skels but it's in dire need of tyres and chain at the moment, so isn't a particularly satisfying ride. Some may even say dangerous. If you're looking for front-end confidence, a Tuono isn't gonna deliver it either. I've been thinking of skimming my handlebar risers a little to get a little more weight over the front. A supension revalve is apparently a good idea too.
It seems like V-twins are a more visceral experience than inline fours so you'll probably have excellent hooning on whatever you get. Personally, I always fancied the TLS and really enjoyed my SV1000. My Ape is a keeper for me but there will be money spent. If I was gonna do it all over again I'd be looking very closely at a Thuper Duke or Tuono R (carbon fibre + ohlins thinghys). Of course, none of that is any good to you cos you want fairings. Think of the embarassment when your neck gets so skinny it wont be able to hold your head up anymore.
Ride em all man.

[limbimtimwim]

Something that would look really stupid with panniers - gotcha.

Whatdayamean? Sprotsbikes look great with panniers.

It's almost their natural form.. Opps, off topic..

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You can take mine for a spin some-time Skels but it's in dire need of tyres and chain at the moment, so isn't a particularly satisfying ride. Some may even say dangerous.

Cheers Clive. I was thinking of maybe just 'sitting' on ya bike to get a feel for it if I went down that path.

If you're looking for front-end confidence, a Tuono isn't gonna deliver it either.

Well thats the problem eh. Talking with Jay it seems that I want to 'lead' the bike, which means that I want to drag myself forward over the front-wheel probably subconsciously trying to get my weight over it. I just need to get a sports bike.

Sure as shit I will get a nekid to go faster initially cause thats what I'm used to.

... or Tuono R (carbon fibre + ohlins thinghys).

Theres a sweet '04 R on trademe at the moment. flame knows the guy and I've met him too...looks real nice. No good for pillions though due to the Al subframe...but lots of CF hmmmmm

[Trudes]

Ahhh, you can't get rid of the Hornet, then we won't be able to call you Horney Seany anymore!

OK, I know nothing about either bike, except for the Aprilia being kinda sexy an all, but I think it's definitely a personal preference thing, which one do you look at and think, "Hell yeah, gotta have one of them"? Also practical stuff too, are you planning on doing many marathon type of adventures, which one would be more comfortable for long rides? Have you ridden both? If so, which did you prefer and gave you 'the buzz'? Also, how long are you planning on having it for? You could always get a TL and after a year flick it and try the RSV for a bit, it's not like picking a life long partner, just a 'Ms right for now' type deal, providing she doesn't break your heart (or your wallet). Good luck dude.