Number of competitors for club meet?

[White trash]

Scared of a stock 600 are ya?

[cowpoos]

Scared of a stock 600 are ya?

yeah...lmfao!!!....mines stock too...

[kickingzebra]

These damn stock bikes of ours trashy, just about as fast as those stock R6s out there..

[roadracingoldfart]

If you look at how many 400s are now doing F3 as well as Post Classic Junior or F3 and Supersport. If all those bikes were limited to one class which would it be ??? . P/C Junior because the old 400s cant run with the 650s in F3 unless your a demon rider or have a very fast bike like Jarrod on his ZXR .
The fairest way to limit a class no matter what is to adapt a qualifying cut off.
If that is another way to enforce limits to the size of the field then thats also good because the fairness is equal and as Steve B said, "if ya dont qualify then ya dont qualify". Seems fair to me.
There are 400 based meetings in the UK and Aussie that have several catagories of stock , modified , etc 400s and they have shit loads of entries to fill a days race program but we have a limit on venues and organisations able to hold events like that.
Shame really.
Maybe we have to ask clubs for a summer series to accomodate such a thing or try to get a class in the national series.

[Keystone19]

Scared of a stock 600 are ya?

Nah, I think he's scared of a stock sv650...

[FROSTY:Me]

Folks its a loose loose situation innit??
I don't envy the poor buggers that iorganise the event
No matter what they do people are gonna be pissed off
Mind you qualifying is the only fair way to do things i guess.

[Nicksta]

i'm with Mr Poos....
if the class is full, then the cross entered bikes should be stood down first.....

I wonder if the qualifying rule is imposed.... clubmans is full, then someone on a F1 bike didnt meet the 35 cutoff in F1, so gets bumped to Clubmans, qualified faster than a clubman's entrant... who gets the place in clubmans? when i counted, clubmans was 32 at Rd1 of VMCC.... that would allow for a total of 3 non qualifiers from other classes??

Frosty said it, its a sticky situation. Maybe limit entires to 40 per class, allows for the odd few that dont make it for raceday or crash on the day...qualifying then to find the top 35, the non qualifier either goes clubmans and then gets a spot in the original class if one drops out durning the day...

but at the end of the day, this could be pondered till the cows come home....
maybe the next few VMCC club meetings things like this can be discussed...
i think they already run the smoothest series i've seen... and its a tough job.

[svs]

the regs state (and did last year too) that there is a limit of 35 bikes per class for safety reasons. I think qualifying is the way to go, but here's another thought (probably not too popular tho) - is it too cheap? is it too easy to get into racing? after all $120 for a race license then $65 entry fee is cheaper than a lot of track days.

Should licenses be graded as in the UK? i.e. a novice cannot just turn up and enter a a superbike race - they have to prove themselves in novice events first? this involves results not just finishing.

As for price - I'm in the UK at the moment, talked to a friend who races enduro and their 3 man team paid £975 entry fee for a six hour race! even new era mcc entry fee is £115 (~$330) for 2 races, with cross entries an extra £25 per race. Should the vic club stop cross entries now that the rider numbers are so high? Should market forces dictate that race entries should be higher? the club is deliberately keeping entry fees as low as possible (it's a non-profit organisation remember) but is this causing the problems?

As for the number of races - well you can race all year round in NZ and the circuits are running meetings most weekend. This again is better than the UK where circuits are limited to a handful of noisy weekends per year.

Whatever the reason the entry numbers are high. This is good for the sport, but whatever way you start limiting the numbers on the grid you are going to piss someone off. But if anyone has any workable ideas, then let the committee members know. The current regs were put in place with a lot of thought and 'what if' senarios put in place, but if it doesn't work this year then something will have to be revisited.

(NB i'm not the secretary anymore so these are just my views now )

[GSVR]

Good that different ideas are coming out. On the pricing when the club gets huge entries it must do ok and cover its costs easily. Maybe this profit could be put into possibly giving price cuts to the Streetstock + 125 GP riders as these are generallly young guys/girls starting out with not alot of funds. This would be very good for nurturing the sport for years to come.

One bike per race class with no entering the same bike with a different rider in another class makes sense to me when numbers are huge.

Limiting entries per class before the meeting even starts seems to make the most sense as commited riders will enter for the season and there will still be places left for the that don't patronise the club quite so well. This way the those racing should get reasonable value (its not just the entry but the travelling. accomodation,etc) for their money.

Last year almost every meeting ran out of time and racing was cut short. This year even before the meeting was abandoned at Taupo it was looking that way.

At car meets I've seen drivers sign on the day before and get their transponders then (would this help).


Also if someone crashes maybe their bike could be cleared of the track and all crashed bikes picked up every second race or after the first round of racing has been completed. Won't be popular but will be more incentive for people not to crash and delay racing for everyone.

Just getting ideas out there...

[Sketchy_Racer]

some nice ideas there Garry.

I like the one of that the bikes wont get picked up fro every second race (unless the rider has to be picked up, or the bikes in a too dangerous place to pick it up with the race still running)

as you said, sucks a bit for those who fell off, so don't fall off.. (bit rich coming from me)

As for entry numbers.

Yes stop cross entering (even tho i like a extra class for only another $10....)
That way, there should be enough room in classes to shuffle bikes around to get everyone out there.

If there were say 210 entrys (not including cross entering) then at 35 bikes a group, you could have only 6 classes.

Only thing i would assume, is bikes that are moved into classes, but there bikes are not legit (because they didnt qualify, meaning they're probably not too worried about points etc) Dont let them run transponders. It means that the data for the people racing in that class are still getting timing etc.. but the people just out there having fun, are out there having fun.

Im sure it will be dealt with in the best possible way.

Oh anothe way to spread classes out, how about a bunch of people give up tractor racing, and come GP racing.. last time i looked there was 15 free places in the 125GP class.. they need filling people

Again, just ideas.. Take em as you like.

-Sketchy Glen

[GIXser]

i think vmcc is taking the piss actually, they make firken moonbeams out of this, and sure a profit should be made i agree, but they need to cut the numbers, to a sustainable level.
furthermore, i heard , and i hope im incorrect by saying this, there are only three races in f1, ( 6 laps only)now to my calculation thats 3 x 6 min= 18 minutes ( im clever huh..!!)
+ sure ya get a practice and a scrub in...
hmmm hardly worth travelling to mandfield for from auckland, and i wont unless there is a trackday invloved at the same time..
6 laps aint enough to make a huge difference (10 maybe) but 6 no way..
i reckon they are taking the piss, and are being very greedy..

anyways thats my story and im sticking to it...

[FROSTY:Me]

Not wanting to push any barrow here but a simple ammendment to the rules may be in order. maximum number per class 35 --clearcut rule decided by the club already.
qualifying for those 35 places to be on the day -already bein done.
One bike one class so no cross entrys -This was done at the taupo RR spectacular -I think entrys were about 150 and grids were all full so clearly it wasn't an issue there.There was clearly in the club provision to run clubmans class as 2 races for those that diddn't qualify for their race
And for the clubbie racers--Keep in mind that a rider that goes too fast in clubbie is disqualified so gets no points -so fast people in a class you are going for points in wont affect you
Use the Raised hand rule if you crash--Ie iffn ya ok and can push the bike to safety then do so -thatll reduce the down time caused by crashes
Anyhoo thats how I see it

[FROSTY:Me]

i think vmcc is taking the piss actually, they make firken moonbeams out of this, and sure a profit should be made i agree, but they need to cut the numbers, to a sustainable level.
furthermore, i heard , and i hope im incorrect by saying this, there are only three races in f1, ( 6 laps only)now to my calculation thats 3 x 6 min= 18 minutes ( im clever huh..!!)
+ sure ya get a practice and a scrub in...
hmmm hardly worth travelling to mandfield for from auckland, and i wont unless there is a trackday invloved at the same time..
6 laps aint enough to make a huge difference (10 maybe) but 6 no way..
i reckon they are taking the piss, and are being very greedy..

anyways thats my story and im sticking to it...

Dude EVERYBODY is in the same boat--the 150SS guys pay exactly the same as you do as does every other class
Its no different to racing at Taupo or puke
They aint being greedy entry -fees are bloody low compared to AMCC
--they are trying to get people racing --simple really

ALTHOUGH THAT SAID--Is it big enough NOW to run as a 2 day meeting ??
Saturday practice /qualifying for ALL classes then sunday racing might be good.

[Toast]

Soem quite good ideas thrown around in here.

I especially like the bulk bike pick up round that Garry mentioned. Crashing causes most of the delays in the day, in my mind, which leads to people sitting on dummy grids forever, which leads to people waiting as long as possible to get to the dummy grid, which leads to organisers calling the dummy grid artificially early, which leads to people waiting even longer to get to the dummy grid, which leads to a fucked up state of affairs. Giving people the incentive to crash less and leave the balls out stuff for the Nationals would certainly make for a more smoothly run day.

On the subject of cross-entry: I probably wouldn't turn up if it wasn't allowed (unless I can get in a track day or two to make the 10 or 18 hour round trip worth it). I don't think that it is unfair on me if I can't cross-enter, but it just would just make it far more worth it for me to get 2-3 hours of track time at a Kiwitrackday than 20 minutes at a race day, even though I find the races a fair bit more fun.

I also wouldn't mind paying a bit more. $100 including transponder for a member is a pretty decent deal. If it were $150 I would still be quite happy with it (assuming cross-entry still allowed).

[GIXser]

Dude EVERYBODY is in the same boat--the 150SS guys pay exactly the same as you do as does every other class
Its no different to racing at Taupo or puke
They aint being greedy entry -fees are bloody low compared to AMCC
--they are trying to get people racing --simple really

ALTHOUGH THAT SAID--Is it big enough NOW to run as a 2 day meeting ??
Saturday practice /qualifying for ALL classes then sunday racing might be good.

Hey frosty, i dont have a problem with racing, only problem with "time on the track" your suggestion of 2 days could be an option


hope ya healing...