Tauranga Rant and Rave

[Matt_TG]

No worries Waylander, it was a gas ... quite literally lol. Hope the farmer didn't treat your bike too badly parked at his place.

There's no spark and an oiled up plug at right front cylinder. We put another plug in but still no spark, swapped over the connector at the end of the lead and still no joy. So, it's either the lead itself or the coil, it's just that it was getting on a bit and too late this morning to pull off the airbox to get to the coil.

CX's are easier to work on I tell ya heh.

[Ralph]

At the risk of sounding stupid I thought bikes just have one coil like a car?
Point is if there is one and your've got a spark at one cyclinder but not the other then I would doupt there's any problem with the coil.
If you've replaced the plug and still no spark then possibly it's the lead?

I can give the lead a small test for you if you like to try and rule it out,
or swap them and see if the problem moves to the other cylinder.

[mark247]

At the risk of sounding stupid I thought bikes just have one coil like a car?

Some bikes have a coil for each cylinder, some have a coil for every two cylinders, so i guess some might just have one coil. It really depends. Why dont you get the coil off one of the other cylinders and swap it with the one one the cylinder that isnt working?

If it doesnt have spark still, then rule out the coil.

Then try the same thing with the HT Lead.

ALSO, make sure everything is plugged in correctly, like the + and - into the coil, it could just be a faulty connection.

[Waylander]

no worrys bud, hope you get that problem sorted soon.
hope the ride wasent to rough for you.

Nah mate, I love roller coasters. Wasn't rough at all.

Why dont you get the coil off one of the other cylinders and swap it with the one one the cylinder that isnt working?

If it doesnt have spark still, then rule out the coil.

Then try the same thing with the HT Lead.

ALSO, make sure everything is plugged in correctly, like the + and - into the coil, it could just be a faulty connection.

That is the plan.

[2much]

Had a bit of a look in the pic folders and come up with this little collection of 2much and friends.

I didn't want it to be 2much, but just enough so that you would know that we will miss you.

Ciao

Thanks mate, some good memories there.

well done glen good to see the old times the nav bar and all.
bit of a bugger we did'nt see the rest of the coro run on vid
it was a goodie
well for most of us anyway
hope to see 2much on thursday night.(gotta be a must i think)
mark was a big part in starting this tauranga group i thank him very much for this,without that most of us would of never meet.(mmm maybe that could of been a good thing)
Mark has'nt organised a ride for quite some time but yesterdays ride was awesome,(as most of them in where in the past)
a few of us had there moments,(all turned out good)
great ride
BIG thanks mate

Cheers mate. I'm gonna miss those organised rides and our crew. We've got a good thing going here with some wicked guys 'n gals. It's been great to be a part of it and I hope it continues on.

Don't know if I'll be there on Thurs, would like to but really depends on how I'm doing for time. We'll see.

Laters all, and watch out for them cows!

[Goblin]

Laters all, and watch out for them cows!

Sorry I couldn't make it Mark, would have loved to have been there....but sick kids come first.

All the very best on your big adventure overseas. You'll have a blast Im sure. Keep in touch on here ok.

[Ralph]

Why dont you get the coil off one of the other cylinders and swap it with the one one the cylinder that isnt working?

If it doesnt have spark still, then rule out the coil.

Then try the same thing with the HT Lead.

ALSO, make sure everything is plugged in correctly, like the + and - into the coil, it could just be a faulty connection.

Exactly

[Idrumm]

Yep keen for a scoot, think bb2s taking one of his bikes over.

[DingDong]

Waylander... I think you need some help.

Testing plugs (or just buy a new set)

Remove a plug, re connect to the lead, rest the plug tread against the cylinder head and turn the bike over... it should spark, if not try a different plug until you find one that does spark. Then alernately try each plug on the lead that works... they should all be the same.

Testing the leads/ coils (you should have 2 coils therefore if you suspect a coil you will have 2 cylinders not working... not just 1)

With a spark plug that works check each lead, if you have only 1 lead that doesnt work it'll be the lead thats the problem (hope you have replaceable leads), if you have two leads that wont work, the coil is the problem.

This is in a perfect world of coarse...

Because you had strada do work on your bike recently they could have fucked something up... you shouldnt take your bike to those guys they're usless and dont know shit about bikes.

If your bike idles OK but misses when you rev it your bike might not be producing enough charge for the plugs to fire correctly making it miss and foul plugs.

Get a multimeter ( you've done this before, or Mark did it 4 you) check the voltage at the battery with the bike off (11 - 12v), then with the bike running at idle (12-13v) then at say 5000rpm (13-14v) if it aint charging properly strada have done something wrong (is'nt that what you had them working on?)

The most common cause of a cold header is a fouled plug... which is caused by a shit spark... or fucked up valves, but we wont go there...

If you think Strada have done something wrong give them a call and ask them to fix it... they have a legal obligation to do so if they're at fault.
If your not sure dont take it back to them, give them a call to say you think they've made an error and give them the oportunity to fix it, if they refuse thell them you will take it to another repairer to asses what the fault is and to fix it. If you new mechanic says they fucked up then strada must pay for the repairs. The key thing is that you must give Strada a chance to put it right before you go ahead a fix it.

Hope I'm on the right track... but more info is better than none, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT MAN!

[DingDong]

oh and Jacob... dont ride any bike thats not running on all cylinders unless you really have to and dont rev/load it too hard... it puts undue forces on the crank and can lead to major damage... pushing and pulling dead wieght "pillion piston"

[Waylander]

The only thing strada did was pull the flywheel off and replace it and the starter clutch. That's it. They should not have been anywhere near anything else. More so because I did a bit of the work for them in draining the oil, getting the cover off and also put it back together after they replaced the bits.

And my manual shows four starting coils. #1 & #3 at the back under the seat. #2 & #4 at the front under the airbox next to the carbs.
Gonna try swapping the uspected foul one out for one of the rear cylinders and see if the problem follows as suggested. But that is after I do that with the leads. And they are replaceable and easy to get off and on if not easy to get too.

[mark247]

The only thing strada did was pull the flywheel off and replace it and the starter clutch. That's it. They should not have been anywhere near anything else. More so because I did a bit of the work for them in draining the oil, getting the cover off and also put it back together after they replaced the bits.

And my manual shows four starting coils. #1 & #3 at the back under the seat. #2 & #4 at the front under the airbox next to the carbs.
Gonna try swapping the uspected foul one out for one of the rear cylinders and see if the problem follows as suggested. But that is after I do that with the leads. And they are replaceable and easy to get off and on if not easy to get too.

Instead of swapping just the coil around, just swap the entire thing ( Coil, HT Head, and plug cover, even the plug ) Because then you can narrow it down from there. Well thats what i would do...

Oh and do you want some help tonight? I got nothing to do and feel like working on a bike that actually needs working on.... ( sorry tom, if you read this, but your flywheel is going to be a BUGGER )

[Waylander]

Instead of swapping just the coil around, just swap the entire thing ( Coil, HT Head, and plug cover, even the plug ) Because then you can narrow it down from there. Well thats what i would do...

Oh and do you want some help tonight? I got nothing to do and feel like working on a bike that actually needs working on.... ( sorry tom, if you read this, but your flywheel is going to be a BUGGER )

If you want to come around that's fine. And swapping the whole thing would tell me what I lready know. Something in there is broke. But by starting at the plug and working back I can figure out exctly what. Have done the plug in a different cylinder and the plug boot in a different cylinder.

[Matt_TG]

Most are saying what has been done and all ending up with the same conclusion.

We identified that it was the right front plug not firing, all the rest gave spark but not that. It's Italian looks gave it away too.. It wasn't firing when the engine was being turned over, or being revved. The header pipe remained cold. The battery appeared to be ok, or at least it was turning over with no problems, however ... I did notice your headlight was fairly dim when I was in front of you Waylander.

We then put a spare plug I had in it's place, held against the cylinder head and no spark. The spare plug sparked fine on the other HT leads, and we swapped out the boot that screws onto the HT lead and it was ok.

It is therefore the HT lead itself or the coil.

Each cylinder appears to have its own coil. That is there are two at the top rear of the engine, and two at the top front, beneath the airbox. The front two coils were hard enough to see, let alone getting anything near them.

On Sat morning it was getting too late to pull the airbox off and check the HT and other wiring to the coil, but that's what's needed to be done. Waylander knows what to do, it's just getting to it and swapping things out in order to eliminate what's good and identify what's no good.

Good luck mate!

[Waylander]

On Sat morning it was getting too late to pull the airbox off and check the HT and other wiring to the coil, but that's what's needed to be done. Waylander knows what to do, it's just getting to it and swapping things out in order to eliminate what's good and identify what's no good.

Good luck mate!

Yup pretty much lol.And even though I've been home all day (sick) I've been the lazy bugger for the first time in a while and done next to nothing all day. (I did go get an enrolment form for the part time welding course at BOP polytech)

I am a bot worried bout my crank now from what Dingdong said but that's something that will have to wait untill I get all the cylinders fireing.

AS forwhat you said bout Strada Wyne mate, this is why I try not to tke my bike to shops. No matter wich one I go to someone will say bad things about them lol.