Voting age: What da ya think?

**Hitcher** · 22nd June 2007, 16:29

If people don't pay, why should they be allowed a say? They're lucky to be living in a country that has taxpayer-funded charity in the first place.

**RiderInBlack** · 22nd June 2007, 16:34

Originally Posted by Karma

Who cares how old you have to be to vote, it's all rigged anyways... does anyone remember voting labour last time? Nah... me neither...

I did (didn't like what National stood for at the time), but surprise, surprise, they didn't hold to their promises (then again what Poli does). They will have to work hard to get me to vote for them next time.

**RiderInBlack** · 22nd June 2007, 16:48

Originally Posted by Hitcher

If people don't pay, why should they be allowed a say? They're lucky to be living in a country that has taxpayer-funded charity in the first place.

Because there are more ways to contribute to the Wellbeing of a Nation than just being rich enough to pay lots of taxes. Many people do very important "work" for this Country and get very little or nothing for it. Ya going to tell them they can't vote or they vote doesn't count as much as someone who makes heaps of money by ripping people off and doesn't actually produce anything? Sorry but that idea really sucks. The Donald Trumps of this world already have too much to say in running this World. They don't need to have more voting power.

**Sketchy_Racer** · 22nd June 2007, 16:53

im only 17.

Even i know this is a stupid idea!

Think of all the thousands of dollars that would be wasted on all the paperwork. What a fucking waste of time.

The Sur Bradford cow is nothing but a pain in the ass (not a pain in the ass for children anymore though) to NZ. How the hell can we get her out!

**Hitcher** · 22nd June 2007, 17:27

Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer

How the hell can we get her out!

Simple. Don't vote Green at the next election. And that's an arse you have a pain in. Presumably.

**Little Miss Trouble** · 22nd June 2007, 17:54

LOL. Its just been voted that junkfood should be removed from schools because these children aren't mature enough to make healthy food choices for themselves and now Bradford wants them to be allowed to vote??!

**BarBender** · 22nd June 2007, 19:29

Originally Posted by Oakie

Thats what we already have. It's not compulsary to vote ... but it is complulsary to register to vote.

Originally Posted by Skyryder

We don't have compulsary voting. Australia does. Sort of answers R in B's question does it not??

Originally Posted by busa pete

its compulsory some one forgot to tell 25% of the population thats proborbly why were in this state know

In my defense...I knew it was compulsory...but dont know why I posted it...

Originally Posted by Hitcher

There must have been an opinion poll taken that shows high levels of support for the Green Party in the 16-18 year-old age group. I can think of no other reason why Ms Bradford wants voters that age to get the right to vote.
As a counter, I'd like to see a system where people have to be net taxation contributors before they "earn" the right to vote, and then get an additional vote for every $1,000 they contribute in taxes. That should stop beneficiaries from having a vested interest in determining the state benefit system.
No representation without taxation!

Cheap populism indeed.

Re the tax idea...And high net worth individuals who pay more personal tax in one year than Joe Bloggs would get paid in 2?
You and a few of the old boys think that one up on the superyacht after your game of golf at Kauri Cliffs?

**Hitcher** · 22nd June 2007, 21:09

Originally Posted by BarBender

You and a few of the old boys think that one up on the superyacht after your game of golf at Kauri Cliffs?

Those "old boys" aren't paying any tax, so no votes for them. Muhahahahaha!

**NZsarge** · 22nd June 2007, 22:03

Originally Posted by u4ea

bring back the burning of witches!!!!!!!!

I'll bring some petrol and my zippo

**Skyryder** · 22nd June 2007, 22:29

Not hard to see what your game is on this one Sue. And it has nothing to do with giving 16 year old school children the vote. And I don't buy the marriage, sex, or any other excuse that you can come up with. No you have a more cunning agenda.

Skyryder.

**Jantar** · 22nd June 2007, 22:37

Originally Posted by BarBender

Re the tax idea...And high net worth individuals who pay more personal tax in one year than Joe Bloggs would get paid in 2?
You and a few of the old boys think that one up on the superyacht after your game of golf at Kauri Cliffs?

The average income in New Zealand is now over $40,000 pa. For someone to be paying more than double this in tax they would need to be a salary or wage worker earning more than $250,000 pa and have no offsetting loss ventures like rental property.

I don't have any exact figures, but as all companies have to declare in their annual reports, the number of people earning more than $100,000, I do know that the number is very small.

The wealthiest people in New Zealand currently pay either no tax at all, or just a peppercorn amount. This is because they take their earnings as drawings, or they offset their earnings against depreciation in rental properties or other assests that don't attract capital gains tax.

**howdamnhard** · 22nd June 2007, 22:49

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Sue Bradford is thinking about lowering the voting age to 16 year old.

My opinion is that she is nuts. As far as I am concerned the driving age should go back up to 18 years old and the drinking age go back to 20 years old.

What do you think?

I Agree with you.She is just on a power trip/ political high after her anti smacking bill went through despite the majority being against it.I suspect she a control freak.While on a rant and rave how about restricting the engine capacity/ kilowatt of learner cagers like us bikers have to be.

**howdamnhard** · 22nd June 2007, 22:51

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Not hard to see what your game is on this one Sue. And it has nothing to do with giving 16 year old school children the vote. And I don't buy the marriage, sex, or any other excuse that you can come up with. No you have a more cunning agenda.

Skyryder.

YE VOTES for the Green Party.

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd June 2007, 06:46

Originally Posted by Jantar

The average income in New Zealand is now over $40,000 pa.

That maybe be, but in areas such as Northland it is much lower than that. New Grad RN's were only getting 29,000pa and that was only if they did an improbable 40hours/week. Most could only get 32hrs/week (Nurses have rotating shifts, 32hrs/week is all ya want to do).
My income has been below $30,000 for some years now, and I aren't no lazy c*nt. I think some of you here need to spend some time on a really low income before coming up with shit like this. Wintertime now so as a Farrier, I'm barely getting by. Want ta swoop jobs & income? Sorry but I'm definitely not for a wealth base voting system.