Fingerprints

[civil]

IF this was the prequel to some huge conspiratorial plan to gain societal control within our nation then yeah, ok, lets say no, but since I'm reasonably confident it's not.....

TOO LATE !!!!!!

I didn't see it either, until the trees were pointed out to me, then I could see the woods.

[yod]

TOO LATE !!!!!!

I didn't see it either, until the trees were pointed out to me, then I could see the woods.

really? bugger....



ahwell...as long as i get to keep my bike im ok with it....

[civil]

Police all around the world can stop people on traffic enforcement matters, (as in the check point you mentioned) without requiring suspicion of any other criminal activity in order to lawfully carry out that stop.

Not beacuse they are lawfully going about their business, but becuase you suspect criminal activity. This why you ask for their 'Drivers Licence'.

[civil]

ahwell...as long as i get to keep my bike im ok with it....

Most people are, that is why it continues the way it has for the last few hundred years. Back when people were free (to take responsibility for themselves).

[spudchucka]

Not beacuse they are lawfully going about their business, but becuase you suspect criminal activity. This why you ask for their 'Drivers Licence'.

No dumbarse, because the Land Transport Act requires the driver to produce it.

[Mr Merde]

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Governments should not be allowed to create laws that reduce the rights of every citizen to address issues that involve a very small minority of the population and we should not be allowing them to do this to us. They are our servants. Not our leaders, not our bosses, not our rulers.

Unfortunately those persons think that they are all of the above highlighted. They think they have the moral right to tell each and everyone of us how to live our lives.

They have this delusion due to the fact that they were elected or appointed (MMP) and therefore they must be what the people want. They are not accountable to us until the next round of so called elections, where they will lie, slander, promise and fling mud in an attempt to retain power.

Look at the latest from parliament. The press is no longer allowed to show them behaving like children. Why? Because it would lower public opinion of them, as though it can be any lower than it already is.

We, myself included, are a nation of sheep. We blindly follow what these people say and if for some reason we disagree those in power quickly find some emmotive subject to divert our interest elsewhere.

All polititians are, by their very nature of wishing to be such, corrupt and not fit. Plato's idea not mine, though I have worded it differently.

I for one would be horror struck if we were all to be fingerprinted for no reason other than the fact that we may commit a crime in the future. It is a blatant disregard for my basic human rights and smacks of a government and its departments totally out of tune with those they are supposed to SERVE.

Mr

[civil]

No dumbarse, because the Land Transport Act requires the driver to produce it.

That is right, the authority which gives you permission to carry out the otherwise unlawful activity (Driving), requires you to carrly the said authority (Drivers Licence).

Why the offence? Bullies move through this phase before violence when their apparent authority is confronted. Your not a bully are you?

[u4ea]

Most people are, that is why it continues the way it has for the last few hundred years. Back when people were free (to take responsibility for themselves).

Ive got nothing to hide but taking away my right to go about my business under suspician just sux the big kumera!!Bring back Robin Hood.....

[Lissa]

I agree with Jim2 and Mr Merde...The government is telling us how to discipline our children, and now they want my fingerprints. No way, if I want them to have my fingerprints I would have to grant permission. Its my fingers, and how on earth would they make us?

Its not a case of if I havent done anything wrong what have I got to hide. You could say that about anything... like bugging our cellphones, listening in on our conversations.. if you have nothing to hide it shouldnt bother you, but it would right! Its an invasion of privacy.

[Paul in NZ]

That is right, the authority which gives you permission to carry out the otherwise unlawful activity (Driving), requires you to carrly the said authority (Drivers Licence).

Why the offence? Bullies move through this phase before violence when their apparent authority is confronted. Your not a bully are you?

Actually - why not remove all Police powers and sack the lot of them. We should all take personal responsibility for all our actions....

[oldrider]

The latest bright idea from the police hierarchy to keep us safe from ourselves is to fingerprint everyone who is detained. I dont know what the legal definition of detained is but I assume it would include situations where the police require something of you. eg, breath testing, traffic tickets, wof check, etc.
New technology means a small handheld fingerprinter can take your fingerprints, transmit them to the national fingerprint server quicker than you can say mickey mouse into the breath test machine, and then compare and save in a wink
I wholeheartedly agree with this with one proviso
They should only do it to criminals. I'm not a criminal so they dont need mine.
Not sure about the rest of you tho

I am not a criminal either but they have had mine (finger prints and two lovely photos) since way back in the early sixties.

Sometimes I feel annoyed that they have them but I haven't noticed it to be any problem, well, YET! John.

[civil]

...... may commit a crime in the future. It is a blatant disregard for my basic human rights and smacks of a government and its departments totally out of tune with those they are supposed to SERVE.

Mr

It is not a matter of MAY COMMIT A CRIME, but the fact you ARE COMMITTING A CRIME, by 'Driving'.

Governments do not give us our human rights. They can / do / have taken your rights. Then after taking them (for all sorts of good reasons mind you), without your objection (hence they have your permission to do so), they give you back various rights to do stuff that they have deemed to be otherwise ilegal activity. He who gives, can take back from you.

Welcome to the world we live in.

By not studing history we will not only make the same mistakes, but also not know where we are today!

[spudchucka]

That is right, the authority which gives you permission to carry out the otherwise unlawful activity (Driving), requires you to carrly the said authority (Drivers Licence).

Why the offence? Bullies move through this phase before violence when their apparent authority is confronted. Your not a bully are you?

I'm not offended, but I do have a low idiot tolerance. You've just triggered an episode.

[ZeroIndex]

They should do the whole fingerprinty thing at nightclubs... therefore you wouldn't need stamps and it would make everyones lives easier... people that are old enough to get into clubs won't be asked for ID, and people that are too young can receive quick and painful kicks to the shins by the security guards for being dumb and trying to get into a place that they shouldn't be trying to get into...

I'm gonna anticipate this move, and start thinking up ideas to make fake fingerprints that actually match the national database

[JimBob]

umm yeah...u kinda missing the point there mate.

the problem is, as much of a bloody top bloke as I'm sure you are, criminals have a tendency to lie to Mr Plod, so it's a little difficult for Mr Plod to tell whether you have anything to hide based purely on your word.....

Thats why the proviso that they do it to criminals. But if others are happy to do it go for your life. I am only saying its not for me.
Seriously though being on a database doesnt worry me in itself.
Its listening to the bullshit the bureaucrats come out with to justify their actions and how gullible NZers are when they believe a lot of this rubbish.
And the basic tactic is scaremongering, "if you are against it you must have something to hide" and so it follows that if you have nothing to hide you will comply.
I should be able to make my own decisions.
As a nation we are too comfortable, and as people we are a nation of sheep who do what we are told, when we are told. Thats probably why we do well overseas because we cut loose.
A simple thing is a queue, we love to stand in a line and be quiet.
How long would you sit at a red light before thinking for yourself?
Still not a bad country to live in though.