Never happen here .. this is NZ

[Street Gerbil]

any organized religion is the root of all evil.. the weaker the mind, the stronger the spirituality..

Sorry Sarge, I like you a lot and I value your opinion, but I have to disagree.
You ever heard of trouble with organized Buddhism?
The problem is not in the "organizedness" of the religion. The problem is in its message. If the message says "perfect yourself", I have no problem with that. Any religion that says "convert or die" must be eradicated.

[Dave Lobster]

Fuck im bored here, terrorism would only make life exciting in NZ

You've never worked in a CT role, have you?

Once you've seen taken down dead babies nailed to walls (by terrorists), you can live with the boredom of New Zealand.

The only way to deal with terrorism is to kill terrorists. (I can't remember who said this, but they're right)

[babyblade250rr]

Sorry Sarge, I like you a lot and I value your opinion, but I have to disagree.
You ever heard of trouble with organized Buddhism?
The problem is not in the "organizedness" of the religion. The problem is in its message. If the message says "perfect yourself", I have no problem with that. Any religion that says "convert or die" must be eradicated.

As far as i'm aware islam doesn't say covert or die! i believe this is a term used by terrorist. And yes they are from the islamic religion however this is a modified term used for their own advantage i.e: any reason for terrorism, I think you may find that the genuine islamic religion is completely opposite to this.

[babyblade250rr]

You've never worked in a CT role, have you?

Once you've seen taken down dead babies nailed to walls (by terrorists), you can live with the boredom of New Zealand.

The only way to deal with terrorism is to kill terrorists. (I can't remember who said this, but they're right)

i agree there is no place in the world for terrorism!!! well i respect all religion or no religion which ever floats your boat, Why can't people just live in peace keeping their religions to themselves and not preeching to others. If someone wants religion im sure they will steer that way in their own doing

[Dave Lobster]

You ever heard of trouble with organized Buddhism?

Buddhism is more of a way of life, than a religion, isn't it?

[babyblade250rr]

Buddhism is more of a way of life, than a religion, isn't it?

after some breif investigation into buddhism my interpretation is that it's a combination of christianity,islam,hinduism a very peaceful way of life and they don't try to burden people with their religion or way of life which ever you like to call it.


i think thats fantastic

[babyblade250rr]

after some breif investigation into buddhism my interpretation is that it's a combination of christianity,islam,hinduism a very peaceful way of life and they don't try to burden people with their religion or way of life which ever you like to call it.


i think thats fantastic

infact i think they take the positives off all the three main religions to endure a peaceful simple life

[Sanx]

Certainly.
However, unlike the states that failed to shake off the yoke of Islam, Spain managed to reform itself away from the Dark Ages.

Not necessarily true; there are moderate Islamic states, or more accurately states where the population is overwhelmingly Muslim but the government secular. Turkey's a good example; Kemal Attaturk crushed the caliphate after WW1 and imposed a secular regime which has stood the test of time pretty well so far.

Malaysia's another. Despite having a deeply anti-semitic (or anti-Israel, which many Jews incorrectly class as being anti-semitic) prime minister for 22 years (Mahathir bin Mohamad), the country continues offer complete freedom of worship and speech (well, censorship no worse than in many western countries). Islamic law does get applied in matters of family and religion, but only to Muslims.

Albania, since the overthrow of communism in 1990, has transitioned to a multi-party democracy and have even committed troops to the UN forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Rather than aligning with Muslim states (and let's face it, they had enough provocation with the genocide of ethnic Albanians and Muslims in Bosnia) they've aligned with the west and are seeking entry into NATO and the EU.

Not all Muslim states live in the dark ages. The states to worry about are those that have religious dictatorships or fanatical regimes run by religious zealots. It just so happens that many of them are Muslim, but they haven't got the monopoly. Should one class Communism as a religion (and it fits pretty much all the requirements) then the communist states would fit into the religious zealots category quite nicely too.

[scumdog]

As far as i'm aware islam doesn't say covert or die! i believe this is a term used by terrorist. And yes they are from the islamic religion however this is a modified term used for their own advantage i.e: any reason for terrorism, I think you may find that the genuine islamic religion is completely opposite to this.

Would that the 'proper' believers of Islam would rise up and help wipe out the fanatical pigs-twats that are giving the 'proper' ones a bad name.

[SARGE]

Would that the 'proper' believers of Islam would rise up and help wipe out the fanatical pigs-twats that are giving the 'proper' ones a bad name.

or at least just point in their general direction

save a ton of collateral damage

[Sanx]

Sorry Sarge, I like you a lot and I value your opinion, but I have to disagree.
You ever heard of trouble with organized Buddhism?
The problem is not in the "organizedness" of the religion. The problem is in its message. If the message says "perfect yourself", I have no problem with that. Any religion that says "convert or die" must be eradicated.

But Islam doesn't say 'convert or die'. In fact, the Koran states that Christians and Jews, although not true believers, are "people of the book" and as such should be respected. The Koran also states that other religions are valid and should be honoured, although Muslims should go out and spread the word. The 'die' bit only applies in one case; apostasy, i.e. a Muslim rejecting his beliefs publicly, either by stating he's an atheist or converting to another religion.

Bearing in mind when the Koran was written, it isn't that much out of kilter with what other religions were doing at the same time. The old testament contains instruction on fitting punishment for a huge and varied collection of deeds, including such gems as the death penalty for swearing at one's parents (Exodus 21:17).

The main problem stems from the semi-official Islamic texts. As the Apocrypha are to Christianity and the Talmud is to Judaism, Islam has a similar collection of clerical rantings collectively called the Raselleh (sp?). They're interpretations of what's written in the Koran, usually twisted to fit the viewpoint or political aims of the clerics who penned them. Those are the texts that modern clerics use to justify their actions. It's the Raselleh that led to, amongst others, the rise of the Wahhabi sect of Islam as practiced by the Taleban and in Saudi Arabia.

You mention Buddhism. Well, there really is little organisation behind Buddhism. It's a set of guidelines but beyond the abbot in charge of his abbey, there's little hierarchy. Almost every other religion has a certain number of high-ranking officials. Catholiscm - the Pope. Anglicans - the Archbishop of Canterbury. Judaism - the small number of influential Beth Din. Islam - the relatively small number of influential clerics and mullah.

They tend to be the ones who, from their interpretations of the original religious texts, cause trouble. They incite hatred. They breed intolerance. Because the ill-educated or weak-willed people who follow them do so without thought or question, the world suffers. Arguably, the Catholic church is the prime example of a religious organisation spreading suffering and death. The prohibition on contraception and abortion is the single biggest factor in the massive spread of AIDS across Africa and South America. By refusing to condone contraception even between married couples, birth rates are kept high. The more children, the harder they are to feed and the higher the poverty levels.

Whilst religion itself may not be evil, the manner in which it's practised is. Unfortunately, whilst there are enormous numbers of stupid gullible people in the world, the moronic nature of most religions does not result in the beliefs dying out. Karl Marx got it right; religion is the opiate of the masses. The will of whatever god you happen to follow is a convenient substitute for taking responsibility for your own welfare and actions.

I'm with Sarge on this one; the weaker the mind, the stronger the belief.

[Patrick]

just cuz someone screams the sky is falling dont mean it aint ...


just to be on the safe side .. i am gonna be keeping a close eye on my GP, Dr. Mohammad Akbar Durka Durka Jihad

Through a set of cross hairs perhaps???

[Street Gerbil]

But Islam doesn't say 'convert or die'.

Shit, I am getting too old for this.
Sanx, your post deserves a reply, but I hasn't got the time to do it properly. Can we continue this conversation in a couple of days when my boss (hopefully) gets off my back?

[SARGE]

Through a set of cross hairs perhaps???

i prefer iron sights personally.. less chance of getting them knocked out of alignment and wasting a shot

[Sniper]

i prefer iron sights personally.. less chance of getting them knocked out of alignment and wasting a shot

Iron sights are fine to 300 yards (in my case, more in others) You need to see my favourite transport case for my big rifle....