Secret trials begin in NZ?

[SPman]

I'll just jab this wound again........

The abortion of justice that is the Ahmed Zaoui case began yesterday in a trail as farcical as it is unjust. Ahmed Zaoui, a democratically elected politician in Algeria who fled his country after the French supported a military coup against his Government is on trial in a secret case where he will face secret evidence that he can not defend himself against. As red necked talkback NZ howl that a dirty Muslim is allowed in the country and they hop up and down about the taxpayer money spent they of course never mention that secret evidence from the French (the only government to have actually committed a terrorist attack on our shores) is being used in a secret trial that should make every N Zer deeply ashamed of their legal system. This abortion of Justice continues today, God Defend NZ.

[Dave Lobster]

God Defend NZ.

I sincerely hope not. Then we'd be no better than the SPAMS.

[MisterD]

God Defend NZ.

I hope so, because you Amnesty International hand-wringing do-gooders won't seem to let the peope we employ to do this job, get on with it...

[Dave Lobster]

I hope so, because you Amnesty International hand-wringing do-gooders won't seem to let the peope we employ to do this job, get on with it...

Let's hope its them that get sacrificed to their own god then.

[WasPhantom]

It is not a secret trial. He is not held in New Zealand against his will (i.e. he can leave the country at any time). It is a review of his security status by the head of the NZSIS. It is NOT a secret trial.

[jimbo600]

Fuck him. He flushed his documents down the head on the way here. Should have been sent back on the next plane.

And like some others say he can leave at any time.

Takes the piss out of all the other real refugees that are waiting overseas to get granted refugee status.

[Shadows]

I don't believe the government would risk the bad press generated by the situation unless they had a damned good reason to bypass "normal" legal process for the sake of national security.

Nobody seems to realise that the reason that the Rainbow Warrior thing stands out in people's minds so much and is always used as an example of terrorism on our soil is because it was the only time anybody actually managed to carry out something like that. For that reason I think we should have a bit more faith in our intelligence services.

I say that all of those sandal wearing poncho draped hairy armpitted lesbian vegetarian professional student anti-smacking bill supporting neighbourhood watch group organising do gooders, that insist on living on, and forcing upon every body else, a set of idealogical bullshit values derived from some fantasy world, who protest for the sake of protesting without any real factual knowledge of the situation at hand should just fuck off.

Bring out the tear gas and rubber bullets!

[yod]

I say that all of those sandal wearing poncho draped hairy armpitted lesbian vegetarian professional student anti-smacking bill supporting neighbourhood watch group organising do gooders, that insist on living on, and forcing upon every body else, a set of idealogical bullshit values derived from some fantasy world, who protest for the sake of protesting without any real factual knowledge of the situation at hand should just fuck off.

generalising just a teeny bit maybe?

[Shadows]

generalising just a teeny bit maybe?

Do you think so?

[Biff]

I'll just jab this wound again........

The abortion of justice that is the Ahmed Zaoui case began yesterday in a trail as farcical as it is unjust. Ahmed Zaoui, a democratically elected politician in Algeria who fled his country after the French supported a military coup against his Government is on trial in a secret case where he will face secret evidence that he can not defend himself against.

He's not on trial - He's having his security certificate reviewed by a QC who is privy to the SECRET evidence against him.

Sure the guy is having a rough ride, and it's a damned fkin shame if he's innocent of all accusations against him. So thank fuck someone is actually reviewing the actual threat this guy poses, and decide whether there is indeed sufficient evidence to confirm his security risk certifcation. And if he's innocent then all the better. Free man. Nice.

When something is SECRET or classified in any way it should remain just that, else informants/operatives lives or other source of intelligence gathering capability may be put in danger of being compromised should said secret information run any risk of identifying the source of any available evidence.

Nobody here, or anywhere else in New Zealand who doesn't need to know what evidence, if any, they have against him, doesn't know what's what, so they shouldn't jumpt to any conclusions without knowing the facts. Which we don't. If that makes sense.


I'm pissed again. Monteiths's Celtic tonight. $7.30 a pint. Robbing bastards

Nice though.

And I'm on holiday tomorrow. Which is just as well.

[Karma]

Nobody seems to realise that the reason that the Rainbow Warrior thing stands out in people's minds so much and is always used as an example of terrorism on our soil is because it was the only time anybody actually managed to carry out something like that. For that reason I think we should have a bit more faith in our intelligence services.

Or maybe it's because New Zealand is at the arse end of nowhere and nobody could be bothered coming all the way here?

[James Deuce]

We've been having secret trials in NZ ever since the Family Court was set up.

[James Deuce]

Fuck him. He flushed his documents down the head on the way here. Should have been sent back on the next plane.

Standard advice from NZ Immigration Service is to do just that if you are applying for refugee status.

[devnull]

I don't believe the government would risk the bad press generated by the situation unless they had a damned good reason to bypass "normal" legal process for the sake of national security.

Nobody seems to realise that the reason that the Rainbow Warrior thing stands out in people's minds so much and is always used as an example of terrorism on our soil is because it was the only time anybody actually managed to carry out something like that. For that reason I think we should have a bit more faith in our intelligence services.

I say that all of those sandal wearing poncho draped hairy armpitted lesbian vegetarian professional student anti-smacking bill supporting neighbourhood watch group organising do gooders, that insist on living on, and forcing upon every body else, a set of idealogical bullshit values derived from some fantasy world, who protest for the sake of protesting without any real factual knowledge of the situation at hand should just fuck off.

Bring out the tear gas and rubber bullets!

Best post ever...

[peasea]

There are a few posts here I like and agree with.

Anyone who lies on a document, falsifies a document or arrives here using any form of skulduggery should be sent packing asap. Far cheaper to buy a plane ticket on the spot than drag the perp' through the system, feeding fat-arsed lawyers endlessly and getting a faceful of b/s from the sandal wearing soft cocks of this nation into the bargain. I've had chain emails wanting signatures for AZ's release ad nauseum and I put the same two words at the bottom and send them back. (One of the words is 'off'.)

We have rules and if you break them you suffer the consequences, right? Well, that's the plan anyway, and if I have to cough-up for speeding (there's that 111kph thing again) when I have told absolutely NO lies on any documents, then someone who arrives on our shores with a false passport needs to be expunged FORTHWITH!

If he's so deperate to put things right in his own country why did he run so far? Better to skip one border and stay close to the problem so as to be able to assist I'da thought.

We don't need French testimony to make a case for deportation (who trusts the French anyway?**), we have our own laws; he broke one by falsifying a passport, grrrrr, it's simple. What more do we need to kick his arse right back where it came from?

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Q) What's the difference between Frenchmen and toast?
A) You can make soldiers out of toast.