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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    Well, the decommissioning process (sorry - can't call it destruction, for some reason) was witnessed and verified by the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning, a body appointed to oversea this kind of thing precisely. The weapons were cataloged prior to destruction and the inventory was consistent with estimates of weapons held provided by British and Irish security services. In addition to the commission, the process was witnessed by two priests (one catholic, one anglican). The process was declared a success and complete by the British and Irish governments, Sinn Fein, the IRA, the Commission itself. Although the Reverend Ian Paisley declared the process an illustration of "...the duplicity and dishonesty of the two governments and the IRA", his deputy did agree the process had put a significant quantity of arms beyond use.

    The Commission was headed by a General John de Chastelain, a retired Canadian officer who had previously been an ambassador to the US as well as Canada's Chief of Defence Staff. All in all, not someone you'd expect to be duplicitous or easily fooled.

    The IRA's formal declaration of an end to its armed campaign only happened in 2005. So, there's not really been enough water under the bridge to judge its success yet. However, in the two years that have passed, there hasn't been the kind of attack the IRA were synonymous with. What's certain is that the IRA have completed their transformation into a pretty successful criminal organisation, and they certainly still have SOME weapons, but no more than Scumdog keeps under lock and key in his wardrobe...
    Try telling the above to the likes of Birmingham Police... ask them about the bomb threats STILL coming in from the IRA. (Most are phoney I know but they're stiil making the calls)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    Loved that lesson.


    If you see an enemy on fire in front of you should you put him out of his misery?
    NO, by doing so you are commiting a war crime. something along the lines of shooting an incapacitated comabtant. It was a long time ago since I did that lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    Loved that lesson.


    If you see an enemy on fire in front of you should you put him out of his misery?
    yes.. a round to both kneecaps should do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delerium View Post
    NO, by doing so you are commiting a war crime. something along the lines of shooting an incapacitated comabtant. It was a long time ago since I did that lesson.
    we used to call them " Security Rounds",,,,,Its a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, put a security round in everybody's head..

    you don't know who or what is in the next room, and you're already speaking english to each other and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the building..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Delerium View Post
    NO, by doing so you are commiting a war crime. something along the lines of shooting an incapacitated comabtant. It was a long time ago since I did that lesson.
    Well I was told to empty the whole 30 into him and then follow up with a bayonet. A still kicking tango is still a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Try telling the above to the likes of Birmingham Police... ask them about the bomb threats STILL coming in from the IRA. (Most are phoney I know but they're stiil making the calls)
    Well, the Irish still have a problem with West Midlands Police. Something to do with their past history of fabricating evidence in order to get convictions - i.e. the Birmingham Six.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    Well, the Irish still have a problem with West Midlands Police. Something to do with their past history of fabricating evidence in order to get convictions - i.e. the Birmingham Six.
    Past..past..past - people dwell waaay too long on the past (just look at NZ for a classic example)

    Sure, the Birmingham Six may have been a screw-up - but it was in the past, no need to go on forever about it!(unless you're a loser type of organisation that never wants to get ahead)

    The bomb threats I mentioned are an ongoing thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Sure, the Birmingham Six may have been a screw-up
    Screw-up? No, a Police screw-up is where some procedure's not followed properly and the case collapses, or a genuine mistake is made leading to an unfair conviction.

    The Birmingham Six case involved a number of officers who knowingly fabricated evidence, witheld other evidence and lied consistently and convincingly in court. That's no screw-up - that's ... well, I'm sure you know the names of the offences better than I.

    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    unless you're a loser type of organisation that never wants to get ahead. The bomb threats I mentioned are an ongoing thing.
    Of course they're a loser organisation; they are (or were) a bunch of mindless thugs whose republican wishes for Northern Ireland (contrary to the wishes of the majority of the population) had got mixed up in radical left-wing politics and further corrupted through association with some of the world's less palatable groups including the PLO, Red Hand Gang, ETA and the Libyan Government.

    The British certainly didn't do themselves any favours in dealing with them; as the USA's finding out with its policies in the middle east at the moment, policies such as internment ended up being the biggest and best recruiting sergeant the IRA ever had. By trying to appear somewhat reasonable (this british governemnt can make the right noises, but is never sincere on anything) they marginalised the IRA enough that the target of the attacks changed focus. Instead of attacking military or political targets, which although maybe not condoned by the undecided could at least be understood, they moved to bombing purely civilian targets on the British mainland. The IRA always tried to protray themselves as plucky freedom fighters struggling against ruthless oppressors; not a portayal that gels well with bombing a busy shopping-centre in the middle of Manchester on a sunny summer's Saturday afternoon.

    And despite using 40 tonnes of fertiliser in a dump truck, they didn't even manage to blow up the Arndale Centre - a stunningly unattractive building - properly, which would have allowed the IRA to claim they were taking action to rectify crimes against aesthetics.

    Like the majority of terrorist organisations, the IRA were a criminal organisation who tried to legitimise their existence and actions by attaching them to some glorious political aim. And like most similar actions, they were simplyt hugs who wanted an excuse to go and blow things up or kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    Like the majority of terrorist organisations, the IRA were a criminal organisation who tried to legitimise their existence and actions by attaching them to some glorious political aim. And like most similar actions, they were simplyt hugs who wanted an excuse to go and blow things up or kill people.
    And by letting them sit in parliament in London, wanker Bliar has told terrorists worldwide that bombing your way into power works.
    It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lobster View Post
    And by letting them sit in parliament in London, wanker Bliar has told terrorists worldwide that bombing your way into power works.
    Huh? Sinn Fein have a right to sit in the UK parliament and have had so for a very long time. They have MPs elected by the same elections as anyone else. The first female MP was Sinn Feiner. However, Sinn Fein do not sit in parliament in London as they refuse to swear alleigance to the Queen, and are therefore unable to take their seat.

    Sinn Fein do take part in the Northern Ireland Assembly in Stornaway, but again, only as they have had people elected to those seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    Sinn Fein do not sit in parliament in London as they refuse to swear alleigance to the Queen, and are therefore unable to take their seat.
    They still take all the money for the expenses,etc. don't they?

    They can't be that principled.. if they wont swear alliegence, why bother standing in the first place?
    It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Past..past..past - people dwell waaay too long on the past (just look at NZ for a classic example)

    Sure, the Birmingham Six may have been a screw-up - but it was in the past, no need to go on forever about it!(unless you're a loser type of organisation that never wants to get ahead)
    I used to live in the past
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    This is getting off topic I know but I found this on "Psychology Today".


    Most suicide bombers are Muslim
    Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but according to Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, when religion is involved, the attackers are always Muslim. Why? The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines). It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

    What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all.

    So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.

    However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.

    The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

    It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.
    Soooooooooo.....basically.......suicide bombers do it because they're not getting any!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idb View Post
    This is getting off topic I know but I found this on "Psychology Today".




    Soooooooooo.....basically.......suicide bombers do it because they're not getting any!!!!
    Anddddd ssoooooo again, if YOU were promised 72 virgins when you died would you blow yourself (so to speak) up to get them?:?

    If you say "Yes" then I have some extremely profitable and desitous Fortex shares for sale...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Anddddd ssoooooo again, if YOU were promised 72 virgins when you died would you blow yourself (so to speak) up to get them?:?
    Only if they were promised by God......or a reputable representative.....
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