Very disappointed with attendance of Enduro at Pukekohe

[Biggles08]

Just a quick thought here.

When you raised your concerns, who did you speak to at AMCC and did you introduce yourself?

The other thing is, with your ideas and experience, have any of us stood for a position on the race committee and made a diference?

I'm not going to publically abuse/name an individual by saying who it was but yes they were the right person to talk to and yes I did introduce myself. We talked about various things before I brought this up in conversation.

My experience is all of about 4 months worth of racing WhiteTrash....bwaaaahaaaahaaaa :-) AND yes people need to volunteer to help out as you suggest but I'm afraid that person is not me. It seems whenever suggestions for improvment are made it always seems to be turned around on those making the suggestions....in the real world it doesn't work like this. There are various people employed for roles that suit them and often different parts of a business struggle to work together such as sales vs Accounts for example. each role is very different but a sales person often has ideas that are valid and should be considered by the accounts dep as well as the other way around.

Just because someone mentions ways to improve the status quo does not mean they wish to do everything themselves. Maybe one day I will get more involved in the day to day running of a club but right now that is not an option for me.

[Sidewinder]

So I went to day one of the AMCC Endurance race meeting at Pukekohe today. There were hardly any bikes there, I counted 12 spectators.
There are four bikes entered in Formula Auckland....one of them cross entered from Formula 2.
Formula 2 has 3 bikes entered.
What the hell is going on?? Why is no one interested in doing this??
Chris Costello said that the club was asked to put on an endurance event so they have and now no one has supported it.
I am very dissapointed in the racing fraternity for not showing up to this event, its disgusting, you guys (and girls) should be ashamed of yourselves. AMCC has lost a lot of money this weekend because YOU guys asked them to put on an event like this. Needless to say it is the last one.
Enjoy your weekend.

haha we were racing, but at mercer doing some motor x in the maze! that was a good day!
anyway it was raining so you think many people would go?

[White trash]

I'm not going to publically abuse/name an individual by saying who it was but yes they were the right person to talk to and yes I did introduce myself. We talked about various things before I brought this up in conversation.

My experience is all of about 4 months worth of racing WhiteTrash....bwaaaahaaaahaaaa :-) AND yes people need to volunteer to help out as you suggest but I'm afraid that person is not me. It seems whenever suggestions for improvment are made it always seems to be turned around on those making the suggestions....in the real world it doesn't work like this. There are various people employed for roles that suit them and often different parts of a business struggle to work together such as sales vs Accounts for example. each role is very different but a sales person often has ideas that are valid and should be considered by the accounts dep as well as the other way around.

Just because someone mentions ways to improve the status quo does not mean they wish to do everything themselves. Maybe one day I will get more involved in the day to day running of a club but right now that is not an option for me.

Sweet as, and valid points Marcus.

I certainly hope I can count on your support in my recently started thread to get things heading in the right direction?

Jimmy

[_STAIN_]

well said it a thousand times and will say it again
Dorkland club is shit useless at promotion, worse than "most" clubs.
for fooks sake you have near 1,000,000 people over the hill from Puke and bar the Classic Events (run by another club) the puny stands have never been filled since the 70's.

example: last round of nationals, wouldn't be dicey financial decision...... if you pulled your head out of the sand and promoted it to the locals ( only a million or so people) nah that would "cost" us money. What a joke

screw mnz we need professionalism and professional promoters in today's world. Can't be done with a few home made fliers run off the banda machine.

did anyone see the car racing ads on TV this summer ? wonder how they managed crowd control.......

Tell "South of the Bombay", another joke, majority of potential competitors and ("spectators" who actually contribute huge $$$ to the cost of a good run a meeting) are in your "own back yard"

since when has Enduro ever been associated with roadrace......wake up to catchy road race event name.

[scrivy]

Oh yeah I expect like everyone else the cars have to pay for the TV coverage so running with them wont guarantee it

We raced with the cars at Levels last year kick, and we certainly didn't get TV coverage. Mind you, there was really only 1 sidecar going hard then though eh bro................

[Kickaha]

We raced with the cars at Levels last year kick, and we certainly didn't get TV coverage.

Because it was going to cost us $2500 for our share of it (or something around that) and they did invite us back as well cause they fucking loved us

Mind you, there was really only 1 sidecar going hard then though eh bro................

Yeah, me and Dave were awesome

[scrivy]

Yeah, me and Dave were awesome

Oh, it was you and Dave that me and Bob lapped. I thought it was!!
It was just a blur as we went past.........

[roogazza]

Has it occured that there may be just too many meetings and too many classes ( in general ) to support our small population ???

You may well be correct Robert ? I am waiting with interest to see the turn out for the winter series meets , one in particular, the VMCC .
That will give us an idea of the world economy effect on our sport. Gaz.

[sidecar bob]

they did invite us back as well cause they fucking loved us

You mean they loved US!!!!

[FROSTY:Me]

I do realize this Frosty and don't get me wrong....I'm sure there are good people who work their butts off for the club and I appreciate this...my problem is aimed more at the higher ranks in the club...the apparent lack of appreciation the leaders of the Club have for its members

Mate Your statement has been well quite honestly really pissing me off.
Not because it was made by you or that I've an issue with you personally.
Its just that it reflects EXACTLY why AMCC is the way it is and why PMCC is seen as being a better club.
Quite simply when it comes time to actually DO something there is no sighn of the likes of you.
Election time for AMCC is mid july I think. This is where the club officials are elected.
Last year there were barely enough people turned up to call it an official meeting.
Doesn't this show the apathy of the membership?
If we wanna make changes lets get rid of mr Heaphy and Mr Costello.
Its easy all we need to do is get enough club members to stand up and vote in a new club prez,treasurer,road race committee etc.
Why are they still there?? simply because NOBODY else has stood up for the jobs.


For the record I'm not advocating removing club officials just making a point.

[Peter Smith]

I am waiting with interest to see the turn out for the winter series meets , one in particular, the VMCC .
That will give us an idea of the world economy effect on our sport. Gaz.

The VMCC round 1 at Taupo should be quite big as it includes the final round for the NZPCRA (Posties), not sure how the other rounds will go as Manfield is quite a trip from Auckland. I hope to make it down to some of them.

[Shaun]

The VMCC round 1 at Taupo should be quite big as it includes the final round for the NZPCRA (Posties), not sure how the other rounds will go as Manfield is quite a trip from Auckland. I hope to make it down to some of them.

All VMCC race series meets will be HUGE! It is a fantastic club, run by people who listen and learn.

[Biggles08]

Mate Your statement has been well quite honestly really pissing me off.
Not because it was made by you or that I've an issue with you personally.
Its just that it reflects EXACTLY why AMCC is the way it is and why PMCC is seen as being a better club.
Quite simply when it comes time to actually DO something there is no sighn of the likes of you.
Election time for AMCC is mid july I think. This is where the club officials are elected.
Last year there were barely enough people turned up to call it an official meeting.
Doesn't this show the apathy of the membership?
If we wanna make changes lets get rid of mr Heaphy and Mr Costello.
Its easy all we need to do is get enough club members to stand up and vote in a new club prez,treasurer,road race committee etc.
Why are they still there?? simply because NOBODY else has stood up for the jobs.


For the record I'm not advocating removing club officials just making a point.

Bwaaahaaaahaaa...well I'm glad its pissed you off Frosty ....thats why I said it of course! hehe...kidding.

Bro...why have a crack at all the 'appathetic' members when there is no incentive to get excited about anything!?! Why is PMCC seen as a better club??? why??? answer that question. If what you say is right then maybe we should look at whats going on there! Is every member of PMCC an active member getting stuck in an doing everything for themselves? I doubt it! They will have membership of pretty much EXACTLY the same demographic as AMCC...the will have roofers, plumbers, sales people, fucking fingernail specialists no doubt! My point is Frosty...people are the same everywhere and we need to work with what we have. Your not going to get people interested in 'getting involved' by standing up on a high horse whining that no one gets involved...they will tell you to go get knotted! What is the answer Frosty? You suggest what? I disagree completely if what you are saying is 'I' should become more involved of the running of the club. Who's to say I will be any better...I can tell you 100% I wouldn't be...(although for completely different reasons to why I believe there is problems now i would add) so why tell me to do something I'm no good at doing!?!? I'll vote for sure and that is exactly what should happen, but telling me to stand up to be counted is stupid as you have no idea if I would be any good!

Your whole argument seems to be based around the fact that not enough people are involved and I would probably agree with you on this note. But where we appear to part company is when you start blaming us....all of us the members for not standing up. The people currently involved in the running of AMCC have a responsibility to its members to provide a club that is functional and essentially have some sort of belonging attached with it, after all thats what the definition of a club is (like minds meeting together etc). At most...no actually, ALL events I have been to run by AMCC I feel like they are more interested in defending EVERYTHING they do rather than learn from thier mistakes. This is right from the riders briefing all the way to the end of the day. What happens is eventually people get fed up and leave the club, or don't bother spending thier money on AMCC run events....much like what has happened. So you getting 'pissed off' at my valid input is actually part of the problem in my opinion as most of what I have suggested to improve the situation has been largely ignored.

Just to be clear Frosty, I am not having a go at you here personaly, I'm merely also trying to state a point of why I believe AMCC is rapidly heading to the gutter based on my short time in the racing world.

Marcus

[FROSTY:Me]

You are thinking about it Marcus But why not now do something about it??
Incidently I'm one at the moment looking in from the outside due to my personal situation-workin 7 days a week.
That said Mr Costello (-using him as an example because most AMCC folk know the slippered man well ) Has been there dong it for a number of years.2 weeks of his 4 week holiday is spent ensuring racers get their time on track.
I agree with you ENTIRELY that AMCC is getting tired and feels worn out. Quite honestly I really don't blame em when the new blood so desperately needed in the organisation is missing.

The difference between PMCC and AMCC Honestly -Its the average "age " of the comittee members. By "age" I dont mean years going round this rock more years on the job running the club. PMCC still has that Bright eyed bushy tailed attitude that new recruits always have.
That said you NEED I think that experience to go "woaa Hold on a mo" in some situations.


Personally Ive got some ideas I would really love to see in place in AMCC club meetings.But Im not able to do so untill I can step up to the plate and be an active commitee or club member

ACTUALLY Ol son--I DONT think you'd be a bad comittee member. I think the opposite. The NEW Ideas you as an inexperienced racer could bring to the table I think would be invaluable.

[Biggles08]

ACTUALLY Ol son--I DONT think you'd be a bad comittee member. I think the opposite. The NEW Ideas you as an inexperienced racer could bring to the table I think would be invaluable.

Why do I need to be on the comittee or more involved in running the club for my ideas to be listened to?? Why would they listen then and not now? Thats my point persactly....they NEED TO LISTEN!!!