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I've posted my views on this in another thread so will not repeat myself again.
You can argue who or what is at fault for global warming but the fact is it is occurring.
If methane is added to the mix ya can kiss the planet as we know it goodbye.
This will not happen in my generation and for some not yours........but ya kids and theirs......................................?????? ?????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE1LiftbMeE
Read the more info on this with the link.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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It simply doesn't matter. Organisms have had a profound effect on the Earth's atmospheric and climate, including the composition of the atmosphere, since the planet aggregated an atmosphere and evolved life or had it placed on it.Originally Posted by Badjelly
The climate changes. Big deal.
Climate change only matters because we have the supreme arrogance to assume that we are important at a planetary level. We're not. We're just another sack of carbon and water that's overdone things. Maybe there's a CO2 breather working it's way up from the Atlantic trench, biding it's time for "planetary supremacy".
Whether we've tripped some cosmic, planetary balance or not is immaterial. To assume total responsibility for an issue like this when our total CO2 output is dwarfed by what the mid-Atlantic trench spews out is the stuff of mystical psuedo science.
We should be vastly more concerned about compounds that "aerosol" in the upper atmosphere, like sulphuric acid, which create a reflective layer in the atmosphere bouncing the Sun's warmth back out into space. I blame volcanoes.
Oh yeah, while we're at it, the oceans don't rise because the ice caps melt. It's still the same amount of H2O in the system. It just occupies more volume because it's temperature has gone up. Bear in mind 98% of the world's ice is under water already and displaced quite a lot of water, just like a fat man in a bath, rising sea water and coastal erosion might be a bit over dramatised.
Mountains slowly crumble, the sea eats the coastline, earthquakes and volcanoes push up "new" land and still we think that because we can sometimes gain a foothold in otherwise untenable terrain that we're special. We're about as special as lichen.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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Climate warms...climate cools....sea level drops, or goes up.....
So what!
We're so f*cking arrogant, we think the world is a fixed entity and how dare it change ...
If it's getting hotter and sea levels start to rise and we might have helped to accelerate the process........isn't humans strength meant to be adaptability!
So - adapt!
Or die!
Quite simple really, why complain about it!
- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
Sorry Jim, but that is quite simply incorrect. Quite a bit of ice is sitting on dry land and if that is added to the oceans it could make a change. But as far as the north pole goes you are correct.
Other than that I have to agree to most of the rest you wrote.
Yes, mankind is arrogant in thinking that our actions are likely to have a profound impact upon the plant - but conversely we are lame in arguing we don't. The climate debate is important for no other reason than to establish how much of an impact we have. And please remember that the inertia of a global system is huge. What changes we are observing right now may be caused simply by what happened the first 50 years after the industrial revolution. At the end of the day we do not properly understand the system because it is both vast and complex.
As SPman said - humanity's strength is adaptability (and you could well argue that the institutionalisation of that strength is science and technology) - if we are to adapt to radical changes we would do well to predict them first!
One thought to bear in mind: At this day and age we are burning, every year, an amount of fossil fuels equal to one million years production. We are - if I may engage in a dramatic allegory - currently burning away the heritage left behind from the evolution of carbonbased lifeforms on this planet at a rate of 1 to 1.000.000 - and there's currently no plan and no investment of that heritage.
It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)
Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. - Joseph Rotblat
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Not massively incorrect but pulled out of my arse after 5 beers. The correct ratios is 80%. 98% of fresh water is bound up in ice. Simple alcohol induced fact juxtaposition.
The volumes are breathtaking. Ice on land doesn't begin to approach the sheer volume contained under water at the polar caps.
Antarctica is one of the dryest places on the planet. The bulk of Antarctic ice is bound up in ice shelfs that extend over the sea.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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The climate change debate is completely irrelevant and is diverting money, resource and political capital away from developing a society that can rapidly adapt to accelerating climate change. How climate change happens isn't vaguely important compared to how we adapt.
There's far too much energy going into presenting and trying to "win" an argument that appears on the face of it to be black and white.
Debate in the face of crisis is always pointless. Develop tools to predict crisis points, both immediate and long term, and develop the mechanisms to avert catastrophic systems failures. People are going to die as a result of climate change but not in grandiose "The Day After" scenarios.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
98% of anything pulled out of anyone's arse after 5 beers is bullshit!
I am neither going to dispute that nor support it. I don't know. Did you check it yourself or do you have a reference to go with that figure?
Information on Wikipedia suggests 78% (70%/0.9) of the worlds fresh water is bound up in ice.
Be that as it may, it is however easy to underestimate the volumes of water contained in the masses of ice situated both on Greenland (it's not all under the current sea-level) and Antarctica. The ice above sealevel on antarctica is estimated to cause a global rise in sealevels of 60 m if it all melted.
That is correct, which is just another resaon we're in deep shit if the ice melted. Water has been bound in ice on the antarctic continent for ages and ages - if that ice melts there's no easy way to make it accumulate there again since there is no noticable precipitation.
If you do not understand why something happens you can not predict it. We need to predict climate change if we are to have any hope of rapidly adapt and so sustaining the standard of living that we have gotten used to.
Nothing is black and white and only the feebleminded insists that reality is that simple.
I agree, action not words is the only thing that gets things done. But if you think before you act you are less likely to waste your effort. And of course you are right that there'll be no dramatic "The Day After" scenarios - that's the other extreme of irrationality that suggests that.
It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)
Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. - Joseph Rotblat
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Nobody's working on predicting climate change or the effects of climate change. They seem to be working on scaring "simple folk" into into the disaster model and recommending a return to horseshit powered serfdom to "fix" climate change.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
Close but not true. There would be plenty of people who are working on predicting these things - it's just that the scaremongers yell louder and are better at capturing headlines. If anything you should blame the media and the ignorance of what constitute the common sense in this day and age. The sheeple revel in sensationalism...
It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)
Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. - Joseph Rotblat
Irritant
Would you two like to get a room?
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Some FACTS as supported by SCIENCE
Global climate change is NOT caused by man and their is no evidence to support it is.
Global climate change is a natural event
Some FACTS
The scare mongers and the stupid people that follow them are sucked into the biggest CON of the modern world
There is money being made, huge volumes of money being made and after the Copenhagen treaty is signed even more money will be made, this treaty will give the governments of this world the mandate to tax high rates to its populations. Governments will rush to sign this treaty for the taxing bennifits, ask yourself how will this money train change the global warming scenario (if indeed its true)
This is NOT about the environment this is about money pure and simple.
wake up people
Ive run out of fucks to give
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http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/altscenario/
There is a lot of info in the lower link. Just click on the left hand window.
http://www.causesofglobalwarming.net/
Anyone who thinks that the current levels of global warming are part of a natural cycle needs to take a hard look at what is happening to our climate. It is true that natural events such as volcanic activity can and do lead to an increase in co2 levels.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/1282246.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1025091047.htm
On what I can find on the net there is no doubt in my mind that global warming is man made. Scientists will never agree, or very rarely on any theory. That some produce theories culminating is studies for big business whose interests are to deny global warming as a man made phenomenon is in itself as suspect as the theory that they themselves oppose.
Whatever the cause of global warming it is happening and at a faster rate than anything from the past. This in itself should indicate to most that the current trend in rising temperatures are a result of man made components.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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The IPCC, the UN's climate change body has detected human induced global warming activity in just one 25 year period, up to 1998. Since 1998 the consensus of the four bodies that measure the worlds temperature is that the world has not warmed, it hasnt warmed for a decade and over the last couple of years it has actually cooled, how many more years of no-warming will it take before you accept that the global warming theory on which the carbon cutting scam is based on is actually wrong..........One more year of non warming? five years, or 15 ?
Ive run out of fucks to give
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I suggest that all conspiracy theorists from here on stop basing their theory's on a tv show they watched or an article they read on teh interweb
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