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Ahhhh, so that explains what those two cop cars were doing a kilometre apart on a windy, hilly part of the Hundalees on 8 November last year. I thought "what a silly place to have a speed trap ... no way anyone is going to speed there" and then wondered what they were processing the camper-van driver for. If that was where people were crossing the centre line then I'm pleased the cops are targetting it.
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Learn to read you farking twat...Originally Posted by dangerous
I said cutting corners where you have the necessary visibility is ok - that means you *know* you won't be pushing anyone else into the ditch, you *know* you aren't going to cause any mayhem whatsoever.
I dunno if you misunderstood my comment about passenger comfort - but here is a hint: I don't take pillions.
And in that light I absolutely fail to see what the point is of mentioning the accident at Taitapu - that has nothing to do with this.
Get a rein on your temperament mate.
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Una Storia Italiana
Ummm... I know you have the brain power mate, if you dont see the common denominator here perhaps you should stay at home.
read slower... people dont have head ons deliberatly... NO they THOUGHT their 'visibility is ok' yet they killedLearn to read you farking twat...
I said cutting corners where you have the necessary visibility is ok - that means you *know* you won't be pushing anyone else into the ditch, you *know* you aren't going to cause any mayhem whatsoever.
yeah... I was on the road that day (working) and seen that... bloody good on em. did have me guessing for a while tho.
cheers DD
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I suppose that the guy who was doing the overtaking, at ridiculous speeds, did so on a right-hand corner (I don't know, I wasn't there, I haven't seen the pictures). The reason why I say there is no parallel is because 1) he was overtaking - not just cutting a corner, 2) there were plenty of other vehicles around and more importantly 3) he either didn't have the visibility or he intentionally caused a head-on.
I get your point about accidents not being intentional. And I'd say you are right (at least 99.9% of the time).
I was merely talking about the situations where you do have all the visiblity in the world and then can be sure that you will cause no dangerous situations. The difference is between "honest belief" and "knowing" - and it is bloody important.
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I can understand why people do it. I tend not. I think it is far greater entertainment staying in my lane and riding better than the other guy [yeah, that never happens.]
Blind corner cutting in a no-no in my books.
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AHHHHH... i see were you are going wrong, your belief on the acco is aparently way off.
There was NO 'overtaking' as there were no other cages/bikes going in his direction, the oncoming group were taking a line to far to the right on a right hander (as was the oncomming rider remember keep to the LEFT) and as riders tend to follow to close they instinktly take the same line as the bike they follow... cutting a corner or crossing the center is a BAD habit which becomes a habit that you dont even relise you are doing thus, one day someone forgets to triple check the way is clear, ya cant possibly have a head on if all are on the correct side of the line.
Yeah thats a no brainer... they are lazy (going to fast, and obviously cant handle their cage/bike)
cheers DD
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Ok, I see - the media coverage was a bit fuzzy then. (What a surprise.) We are talking about the one with 2 dead riders, 1 dead pillion and 1 very injured (maybe dead later) pillion that happened on the way to Akaroa? The one where there were complaints about blood not being cleaned off the road quickly enough.
And I agree, never make it a habit... What I meant by passenger comfort was that in the exception where you are carrying passengers (again, in a car) and you have the necessary visibility - then it isn't a problem. The rest of the time it makes no sense, removing the corners from any drive/ride just makes it less fun.
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Unfortunately there are some wankers, and Kindy Mums In SUVs(TM), that don't know the difference.
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It is fair to feel angry about some idiot who did that to you. If I could get up off the road after that, he would have been in worse shape than me. But I don't think it's fair to suggest that all line-crossers care nothing about everyone elses' safety or their own. I think we are all better off on our side of the road, but for the police to target just one corner where it is just a little too easy to nick the centreline is pretty clearly revenue gathering. That's similar to hiding a speed camera on a long downhill straight with a passing lane on it.That camera is gunna have a fucked sphincter on it at the end of the day.
HOWEVER, if some asshole is taking three quarters of the opposing lane using race-track type cornering through blind corners, they deserve anything the fuzz can throw at them. Thats just fucking dangerous for everyone.
Sounds to me like some old cunt living out his misspent youth. The oldies can be really dangerous on the roads. I had one old cunt intentionally ram me many years ago, and he voluntarily handed in his license after that. (I actually think he was "persuaded" to by the fuzz.) I am surprised that oldies aren't given some speshal training on this type of vulnerability.
Sorry to hear about your crash. Thats horrible mate.
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Interesting that everyone seems to have conveniently ignored the point that Virago made, that motorcyclists are forever crossing the centreline on right hand corners even though their wheels might not.
And those that say corners with good road visibility are safe to cross the centreline on, are forgetting about the vehicle that might turn left out of a driveway (that isn't so visible) on the other side of the road, without looking to their left as they weren't expecting anyone to be on their side of the road in that direction.
Unexpected Spanish inquisition
Both supremely valid points, but in the case of the latter what if it is a country road that you know, has clear line of sight through a series of corners where there is (and never will be due to the terrain etc) no driveways etc?
(Just playing Devil's advocate here)
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Errr. Still illegal (me playing Devil's advocate tooBoth supremely valid points, but in the case of the latter what if it is a country road that you know, has clear line of sight through a series of corners where there is (and never will be due to the terrain etc) no driveways etc?
(Just playing Devil's advocate here))
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It isn't illegal to cross the center-line. You may have to indicate for 3 seconds prior to crossing though...Errr. Still illegal (me playing Devil's advocate too
Otherwise overtaking would be illegal.
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Yes, I believe the actual charge would be failing to keep left because as Mikkel points out it is not actually illegal to cross the centre line, as long as it's a white line of course.
I can certainly understand the Police in the South Island getting frustrated as the attached two pics taken in the Kawerau Gorge show the extent of the problem. Now in these pics the vehicles are completely illegal as not only have they crossed the centre line completely, it's also a double yellow line.
The guy on the bike should be very ashamed. Without knowing the exact corner I'd say it was fairly obvious that you would not have 100 metres clear visibility either - madness!
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The white van is a campervan... so a tourist. They just drive on the right-hand side, all of them. Everyone knows that!
Probably doesn't speak english either...
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