Three cops shot - 1 dead (Napier, 7 May)

[Marknz]

Oh stop being a drama queen.

oh look, another genius with nothing better to do

[Tank]

Yes, I do.

I will support anyone who uses lethal force against trespassers on their property, and I'd consider the police(or any other government agency) trespassers unless they were specifically invited onto the property by the occupier.

In an ideal world it would be legal to shoot mormons, door to door salesman, the meterman, and anyone else who felt like coming to my house uninvited.

That is pathetic. I'm shocked that someone could have such a feeble minded view.

So in the Lias view of the world the police couldn't enter a property uninvited if they were selling P, huge hoards of stolen goods, or kidnap victims?

Get a grip - the guy was breaking the law selling drugs. You dont get away scott free simply because you are doing it from your house.

And it sure as fuck dosnt justify killing people.

[short-circuit]

Imagine how boring some people's day would be without this thread.

I think I'm lactating now - thank goodness I found this thread

[Finn]

oh look, another genius with nothing better to do

I prefer the term savant.

[Lias]

So in the Lias view of the world the police couldn't enter a property uninvited if they were selling P, huge hoards of stolen goods, or kidnap victims?

This man wasnt selling P (But quite frankly I wouldnt mind if he was, drug laws are retarded), he wasnt hoarding stolen goods, he hadnt kidnapped anyone. He apparently liked the odd smoke of the green stuff, and sold some to his mates, hardly a major drug operation. He was minding his own buisness, going on with his life, and the cops chose to invade it.

And it sure as fuck dosnt justify killing people.

Personally I rate my right to privacy over anyone elses right to be alive, plus cops are a renewable resource, we can always grow some more.

[Gremlin]

I think plenty are forgetting the primary objectives of the various departments. Even the STG still have public safety in mind.

Its only when you get to army level that they stop giving a fuck about public safety (to a degree) and depending from country to country.

Ultimately, he has no hostages, he presents no real threat to people other than himself. Trying to compare this to someone taking control of an air tower really isn't the same strategy wise...

Remember, they bash in, casualties etc, and the public lynch them for being disorganised. They sit back, get a reasonably peaceful solution, and the public/media still lynch them. Fuck, what an awesome job.

Now compare to forces who didn't have public safety at the forefront. Innocents kills by rubber bullets because they got in the way (the primary objective was achieved, the protest was wrapped up).

Meh...

[ManDownUnder]

Stand upwind, teargas the shit out of him... move on.

[MSTRS:Me]

cops are a renewable resource

And so are scumbags. I know which ones I'd support for a cull...

[Katman]

I'd have had no nipple action whatsoever!

I'm outraged that you can only think of your nipples at a time like this!

[Lias]

Now compare to forces who didn't have public safety at the forefront. Innocents kills by rubber bullets because they got in the way (the primary objective was achieved, the protest was wrapped up).

Meh...

Strangely enough I was just talking with a former british soldier about rubber bullets. He was telling me how they got sick of the IRA getting away after simply knocking them down, so they figured out how to use the rounds to cause lethal injuries. Apparently you bounce the baton round into the ground infront of them, so it ricochets upwards, hits them in the jaw/neck and decapitates them.

[MSTRS:Me]

Ultimately, he has no hostages, he presents no real threat to people other than himself. Trying to compare this to someone taking control of an air tower really isn't the same strategy wise...

Imagine...you live in the house 2 along from him. His presence is fucking with your right to go peacefully about your daily life. He has shot at least 4 people. And you just want to go home...
What was that about 'no real threat'?

[ManDownUnder]

I'm outraged that you can only think of your nipples at a time like this!

I'm pretty fucken upset too now - I can't get them out of head!

[ManDownUnder]

Seriously - get a tank or a big fuck off bulldozer, lower the blade. Put some 2 inch steel plate between Mr Loser and the driver, let him know you're coming in then drive in and get him.

First chance anyone gets they make him full of holes.

... or he can surrender. It's his choice.

[Tank]

Seriously - get a tank or a big fuck off bulldozer

Hey - I'm big, but not that big

[Subike]

How about a big buldozer with a big blade,
aim it at the house and let it go.
let the bugger try and stop that.
Im sure that by the time the front wall has been flattened
he will be either flattened with it,
need a clean pair if undies
or running out the back door souting "fuck this"

It is about protecting lives in the end,
even if the life to be protected is the person causing the problem.

but what do I know, I'm not there, I'm just a spectator on the side,
watching the drama via rose coloured glasses