Reg Biffed

[ynot slow]

She wasn't assaulted and it WAS consensual...she just didn't realise League teams have an interchange bench...

Or the other team and ball boys,refs,ladies who prepared the meal would join in.

So she now realises she was a slag,after all she wanted to shag them/him(Johns)maybe as a dare who knows.

[fredie]

banned from the footy show now

[Skyryder]

Ive been known to give the Aussies some stick but I take my hat off to them for this.

I just hope that the NZ media and especially the 'sports' types take note.

Some of them need some 'moral fortitude' like their Aussie counterparts.

Good call guys.


Skyryder

[Pex Adams]

I'm not sure what to think on this issue.. One side of me thinks that this is the price you pay for behaving like a porn star, when you have a public profile. I'm sure there are a few Swingers out there, that have dipped and dambled in many different places in front of others, with others, and on others (YUCK!). But because their not famous no one cared at all about it. It was all a bit of 'fun' at the end of the day..

The other side of me thinks that what did she expect was going to happen when you allow a bunch of league idiots to watch?!

I wonder if she would have been so traumertised if it had been a couple of blokes at a swingers party?! I would suspect not. Its only because he's a popular TV figure that she feels aggrieved.. Isn't it ironic, that that was probably the whole reason she wanted to shag him in the first place

[Lias]

Lets face it I'm no politically correct wowser, but even to me league clubs seems to be bastions of hardcore misogny. My understanding is the woman agreed to sex with two guys, and the rest of them pretty much just formed a line and rooted her anyway, without consent. She made a police complaint, but the reality is even if the cops believed her, how can she prove that she consented to some of it, but not all of it?

Yes officer, the cock in my mouth and my pussy I agreed to, but when the 3rd guy shoved it into my arse I tried to say no but I had a mouthful? After they changed guys a few times I just lay there and took it.

So I guess the question becomes, by putting herself into that situation, does she consent to anything and everything done to her? I don't think so. I reckon she's in the right, and some of it was nonconsesual, and the lads didnt give a fuck because they were drunk and getting their end off.

[Skyryder]

Lets face it I'm no politically correct wowser, but even to me league clubs seems to be bastions of hardcore misogny. My understanding is the woman agreed to sex with two guys, and the rest of them pretty much just formed a line and rooted her anyway, without consent. She made a police complaint, but the reality is even if the cops believed her, how can she prove that she consented to some of it, but not all of it?

Yes officer, the cock in my mouth and my pussy I agreed to, but when the 3rd guy shoved it into my arse I tried to say no but I had a mouthful? After they changed guys a few times I just lay there and took it.

So I guess the question becomes, by putting herself into that situation, does she consent to anything and everything done to her? I don't think so. I reckon she's in the right, and some of it was nonconsesual, and the lads didnt give a fuck because they were drunk and getting their end off.

I'm not in general disagreement with you on this, but as I see it, John's 'suspension' as nothing to do with consent or not. He got himself involved with a 'gang bang' and I doubt if many here would agree that this is the sort of image that league or for than matter any sport would want to be associated with.


Skyryder

[Fatjim]

I'm not saying what he did was morally right. And its certainly not my cup of tea. Sloppy seconds? yuck.


But lets face it.

1. The cops said there was nothing illegal, they interviewed 80 people! And they're like rottwiellers, they'll prosecute anybody if there is a sniff of evidence.
2. The Bint went up with two guys, then didn't leave when more showed up.
3. He's dealt with it within his family and was lucky to still be married.
4. The guys who run NRL are PC cocks, and so are the Channel 9 producers, and Melbourne Storm. They're all spineless cocks for sacking him. He should sue there arses, and so should every league player who gets railroaded.

[Trudes]

I don't know the full story, I suspect only a few do, don't believe everything you see on tele or read on stuff etc...... but, I have to agree with Fatjim. It all sounds sus to me and I don't think I've ever been so off my face that I wouldn't know what the hell I was agreeing to and be unable to get up and leave if I didn't like what was going on, and if I was that out of it, I'd probably think I had a good time the next day. Ok, yes, I'm shallow.

[Winston001]

I'm not saying what he did was morally right. And its certainly not my cup of tea. Sloppy seconds? yuck.


But lets face it.

1. The cops said there was nothing illegal, they interviewed 80 people! And they're like rottwiellers, they'll prosecute anybody if there is a sniff of evidence.
2. The Bint went up with two guys, then didn't leave when more showed up.
3. He's dealt with it within his family and was lucky to still be married.
4. The guys who run NRL are PC cocks, and so are the Channel 9 producers, and Melbourne Storm. They're all spineless cocks for sacking him. He should sue there arses, and so should every league player who gets railroaded.

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.

There are cases where a woman has said "No" to the third guy, and he and everyone after him were convicted of rape.

This silly girl was 19 years old, probably partly intoxicated, star-struck by the two guys, and thought she was having a good time. When she found herself at a team event she should have called time and left. But at 19 she wouldn't have the confidence or courage. She would know she was in trouble and probably just shut down hoping it would all be over.

[Lias]

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.

Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.

[ynot slow]

The old what goes on tour stays on tour mentality,when will they learn.And the guys all say nothing.Sorry she might have decided Johns was in,maybe another in his room if 2 to a room,but hard to cry rape if she consented to 2 guys,and hard to say him,him and him ok,but can't recall him,him or him being told no way.By the same token they shouldn't have said a girl is here to be blocked,so a pretty grey area there.

[ynot slow]

Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.

I know someone in similar situ,except it was an ex hubbie and his daughters word vs the mothers,in this case the judge believed the daughter lied about mum sexually abusing her,no evidence at time of complaint.

[Fatjim]

Have to disagree. The police will have believed her but won't have had the evidence to prosecute. Because of the position she put herself in, proving lack of consent would be very difficult - particularly if the guys stayed staunch, said little or nothing.

There are cases where a woman has said "No" to the third guy, and he and everyone after him were convicted of rape.

This silly girl was 19 years old, probably partly intoxicated, star-struck by the two guys, and thought she was having a good time. When she found herself at a team event she should have called time and left. But at 19 she wouldn't have the confidence or courage. She would know she was in trouble and probably just shut down hoping it would all be over.

Having known a woman who was sexually assaulted, laid a complaint, and the guy wasnt prosecuted because it came down to he said she said with no phyiscal evidence, I can easily believe that to be the case.

The old what goes on tour stays on tour mentality,when will they learn.And the guys all say nothing.Sorry she might have decided Johns was in,maybe another in his room if 2 to a room,but hard to cry rape if she consented to 2 guys,and hard to say him,him and him ok,but can't recall him,him or him being told no way.By the same token they shouldn't have said a girl is here to be blocked,so a pretty grey area there.

But this is all speculation, and goes against what the cops said. You guys are condemning him based on other experiences.

[Big Dave]

The whole thing is unfortunate for all.

If there is anything to learn from it is 'young bucks - just keep your dick in your pants'.

Remember the great Douglas Adams quote from 'the meaning of liff' and recognise life's Caarnduncans when you see them:



CAARNDUNCAN (n.)

The high-pitched and insistent cry of the young human urging one
of its peer group to do something dangerous on a cliff-edge or piece of
toxic waste ground.

[Winston001]

But this is all speculation, and goes against what the cops said. You guys are condemning him based on other experiences.

Fair enough if the police said nothing wrong happened and the original complaint was false. Can't say I've heard that but might be wrong.

Look FJ - understand what you mean. I'm a guy. In our teens and twenties the fantasy of an attractive willing 19yr old girl making herself available to the boys was our dream. But if I'm honest, I'd have quietly slunk out of the room and had a beer with more sensible mates. I don't find the idea of putting a girl on the block romantic or erotic and I'd feel pretty rotten having anything to do with such a situation.

That is the essential issue - its moral rather than legal. And we should all have moral views, even if they aren't exactly the same. Matthew Johns betrayed his marriage, used a silly "loose" besotted girl for gratification, then let her become a plaything for his mates. Hardly the actions of a decent man.

If he'd had any compassion he would have protected her - from her own stupidity.