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[Fatjim]

I think the debate is, as the amoral society we've become, whether someone should be hung out like this.

[smoky]

... I don't think I've ever been so off my face that I wouldn't know what the hell I was agreeing to .... and if I was that out of it, I'd probably think I had a good time the next day. Ok, yes, I'm shallow.

I don't mind shallow, you sound like a real fun date
fancy a drink

[smoky]

Didn't the English rugby team get into trouble for a bit of tag team action last time they were here.

Stardom, fame and money, testosterone filled and fueled team building life styles, face the enemy together, play together - any stupid slapper looking for a bit of groupie actions going to get more than what she's bargained on

I find it a bit laughable to sack him from his role when he's not being charged with anything

But as for the morality of group sex "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

[fredie]

well well well the workmate of the girl has come out and spoken about what happened . she said the girl bragged about haveing orgy with up to 10 shark players. she had a good time . the 5 days later complained too cops

[smoky]

well well well the workmate of the girl has come out and spoken about what happened . she said the girl bragged about haveing orgy with up to 10 shark players. she had a good time . the 5 days later complained too cops

How reliable is the workmate - for a start do you think she is a mate
I know a few people who would say anything to discredit a work colleague
I saw her on TV and I think she just didn't like the girl and was getting her bck for something ???? who knows what to believe?
The issue is not really if she consented or had a good time or not, it's about rugby stars in orgy style parties isn't it?
It seems to be a storm in a tea cup (or should that be in a tea pot, being that it was shared)

[Hitcher]

Given that no crime has been committed, I'm struggling with this. I also don't know who to believe, so on that basis think that there's probably fault on both sides. I am also wondering why the lady in question is going public now, seven years after the event.

Rugby League players should clearly take greater care in explaining the interchange rule.

[ynot slow]

What is the difference between the swinging 60's and wife swap party era of 70-80's befor aids lol.Maybe the thing is those who are chastisinig Johns and his ilk,remember those times maybe rather embarrasingly,especially now they will be mid to late 50-60 year olds.

Always as youth age kids you hear about xx on the block,but all it was was hearsay,I and mates never saw it happen,but that's not to say it didn't.

The law (criminal)wasn't broken as no charges laid,maybe moral law was broken,but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf,afterall the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

[Hitcher]

but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf,afterall the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

[Maha]

I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

And yet, an ex work mate was on the box (scuse the pun) last night saying that the female involved was bragging about it the very next day at work?

[Skyryder]

So what's the issue with this thread. The woman's behavour or John's losing his job?? The two are entriely different. Both involve moral issues. One is of behavour............the other is one of image.

Once you become the public face of a sport as Johns has done you need to be able to project and image that is in line with the publics tasts of decency not to mention honesty as well. No one is questioning John's honesty, or for that matter his committement to his chosen sport. It's his sense of decency that is in question. The NRL might like to pass itself off as a hard contact sport but in doing so it is not treading on anyones toes in the decency stakes. However it (NRL) would fall short of society's values if it continued with Johns. Just imagine the furore if one of John's players who he coached was involved in a gang bang while on tour. Hey the coach has done it why not me??

At the end of the day you can not get caught with something you have not done That little mantra has saved my neck on more occasions than I care to remember.


Skyryder

[MsKABC]

He has brought his employer and the sport he's involved with into disrepute - there is probably a clause in his contract enabling them to dismiss him in such circumstances. If he'd stopped to think about this possible consequence before he'd unzipped, then he wouldn't be in this shitstorm right now. I feel sorry for his poor wife.

[Winston001]

What is the difference between the swinging 60's and wife swap party era of 70-80's befor aids lol.Maybe the thing is those who are chastisinig Johns and his ilk,remember those times maybe rather embarrasingly,especially now they will be mid to late 50-60 year olds.

Always as youth age kids you hear about xx on the block,but all it was was hearsay,I and mates never saw it happen,but that's not to say it didn't.

The law (criminal)wasn't broken as no charges laid,maybe moral law was broken,but if she wanted to shag 2 or 3 guys and 7 or more joined in,she can't really cry wolf, after all the nature of the game she knew about could happen.

I think the wife-swapping and orgies of the 60s/70s always happened to someone else . It was mainly an american hippie thing and didn't happen much. I can't see the remotest connection with Johns behaviour.

I disagree with that. The issue is consent and control. The lady is alleging that she did not consent and that she had no control. She has a point. There was only one of her and a room full of sexually vigorous rugby league players.

Agreed. That is exactly the point at issue.

And yet, an ex work mate was on the box (scuse the pun) last night saying that the female involved was bragging about it the very next day at work?

It doesn't sound good eh. Even so, people are odd. Despite feeling ashamed or embarrassed we try to brazen out our mistakes. I suspect her bragging was simply that of an immature silly girl who wondered what the hell she'd gotten herself into.

If she really was proud of her "achievement" she wouldn't have gone near a police station.

[Hitcher]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

[MisterD]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

I think "come forward" is not quite the right expression for what MJ did...that kind of implies it was his decision, the police investigation at the time probably had a lot to do with the confession too.

It reads to me like the girl in question thought she'd been really clever then had a case of the regrets when people she bragged to didn't share her opinion...

I fully agree that the other "men" involved should not be allowing MJ to continue to carry the can on his own.

[fredie]

Also interesting is that Matt Johns is the only player to come forward. He also appears to have had the good sense to have fessed up to his missus immediately afterwards. None of that however exonerates what transpired that night in Christchurch.

yes he confess to wife after the police inteveiwed 80 people 7 years ago . they broke up for 2 years . got back together. this girl by spreading her legs has caused alot of trouble . was it worth it with everyone involved