Who says Asians are bad drivers?

[xwhatsit]

I am wrong on that count - You are quite correct, however, it still does not however address the distance travelled or a number of other points.

That's quite right. However you would think it'd make a vast difference (say, more than a few percentage points). And on the other hand, given that Maoris probably don't drive substantially more than Europeans (maybe even less? Given lower socio-economic status etc.) and the fact they have so much more crashes than their population makeup then it's clear that we should all be terrified of Maoris behind the wheel if we're going to start pointing fingers

[The Stranger:Me]

However you would think it'd make a vast difference (say, more than a few percentage points). And on the other hand, given that Maoris probably don't drive substantially more than Europeans (maybe even less? Given lower socio-economic status etc.) and the fact they have so much more crashes than their population makeup then it's clear that we should all be terrified of Maoris behind the wheel if we're going to start pointing fingers

Hmm, you would profess to know what I think?

Sorry, who was pointing fingers?
It looks to me that you are the racist here singling out Maori for being poor and bad drivers without any hard evidence provided.

[xwhatsit]

Hmm, you would profess to know what I think?

Sorry, who was pointing fingers?
It looks to me that you are the racist here singling out Maori for being poor and bad drivers without any hard evidence provided.

Lol what? `However you would think' is a figure of speech meaning much the same thing as `However one would think'. `You' is general, not you in particular, Stranger.

My point about Maori is that if we're going to start using those statistics to say `Asians are bad drivers' as some here have been (not you, don't get in a tizzy again) then according to those statistics Maori are worse. You don't see people saying `Maori are shit drivers' though, so clearly there's something at odds with the anecdotal vs. statistics viewpoints. For the record I think it's all a crock of shit and the differences between crash percentages and population percentages are so minor as to be ignored. On the road it's less ethnicity that makes me shit my daks; more the style of car the driver in question is sitting in.

Christ you're a hard person to have a conversation with I'm not taking shots at you.

[The Stranger:Me]

Lol what? `However you would think' is a figure of speech meaning much the same thing as `However one would think'. `You' is general, not you in particular, Stranger.

My point about Maori is that if we're going to start using those statistics to say `Asians are bad drivers' as some here have been (not you, don't get in a tizzy again) then according to those statistics Maori are worse. You don't see people saying `Maori are shit drivers' though, so clearly there's something at odds with the anecdotal vs. statistics viewpoints. For the record I think it's all a crock of shit and the differences between crash percentages and population percentages are so minor as to be ignored. On the road it's less ethnicity that makes me shit my daks; more the style of car the driver in question is sitting in.

Christ you're a hard person to have a conversation with I'm not taking shots at you.

Well, how's about, for future reference, if you aren't including me and you are not referring to me and not taking shots at me AND you don't want a hard conversation you consider not quoting me. Because silly old me somehow thought that the purpose of quoting a post was to address the issues raised in that post and therfore by extension the one whom posted it.

Just a thought.

A tizzy? You give yourself Waaaay too much credit. You are simply a bit of light entertainmet, something to be toyed with when I'm feeling a touch bored.

[Brian d marge]

I love the photo man, the dudes in the background pointing pistols at kids heads lol. And the dude with the shotgun ? pointing it straight at the other dudes spam-javelin. Wouldn't wanna fuck with that family lol.

Edit - Bwaaahahahahaha just noticed the kid in front with the pistol, also pointed at that poor mans trouser snake..

Look up hatfields and mc coys these boys were the original imbreds
They are on u tube
Trust the Americans to make a mountain from a molehill, we in England had some real imbreds

Stephen

[The Stranger:Me]

FactsUK Population - 61million / 2,496 road deaths = 4.8 per 100,000 pop.NZ Population - 4.3million / 424 road deaths = 9.8 per 100,000 pop.Not a pretty sight when you consider that the average speed limits in NZ are lower.

You are a model citizen, just buy into all the tripe the govt feed you.
Learn to think for yourself man.

First off, there is no comparison of average distance travelled.
NZ has the second highest MV ownership rate in the world and according to some reports about double the UK. If the distance travelled is along the lines of ownership you have your answer as to why the apparent disparity.

A substantial portion of the fleet is quite old and as such safety standards tend to be lower.

Speaking of safety standards. When the govt commissioned a report into why the big disparity such as pointed out in your post it was buried - as it didn't conform to the pre-determined outcomes of speed and bad driving.

In there it was noted that there was a distinct lack of safety requirements. For example, things like side intrusion beams, which were standard in many countries are not required (nor were they provided) in the same NZ models. I know some of that changed when the media got hold of parts of the report, however they are still not mandatory.
There was a lot of other stuff that was leaked also - little gems like it was calculated that if everyone drove with their seat 1" further back it would decrease the death and injury rate significantly. Some do have this option and could exercise it if they were aware of it.

The point being however, experts have looked into this and all we know about the study is that a) it was buried and b) it reported a lot of problems other than driver and speed.

[scumdog]

Just a snap shot but seems to dispell the usual Kiwi Discrimination.Dec 2007Number of Road Casualties / Fatalities by Ethnic Group (% of Population)Asians 7% (9.2%)European 69% (67.6%)Maori 17% (14.6%)Pacific 5% (6.9)Others 2% (1.7)Locals win...

Can't be naffed reading all the thread BUT: What percentage of the total NZ population is represented by these groups??

OK, just saw post #58.

[Shadows]

Just a snap shot but seems to dispell the usual Kiwi Discrimination.Dec 2007Number of Road Casualties / Fatalities by Ethnic Group (% of Population)Asians 7% (9.2%)European 69% (67.6%)Maori 17% (14.6%)Pacific 5% (6.9)Others 2% (1.7)Locals win...

Whoever published those figures either had intent to mislead or was simply too stupid to come up with a decent study covering the many variables. Whoever it was left out too much important data for the figures to have any real meaning.

Most of the Asians in NZ live in pocket communities within Auckland's urban limits. They only have to shuffle next door to say "wing wong waaaah" to their mates and eat sweet and sour cat while they do their paua poaching deals over a bottle of kawasaki and a deck of cards. They don't spend much time driving across or out of town to see people that live in the general community and they are big users of public transport anyway. It's the occasional times when they do get out of the urban limits in their cars (probably lost, because they couldn't read the road signs because they couldn't be bothered learning the language of the country they've infested) that the fun really begins.

I'm actually alarmed about the above data. Taking the other facts into account I'm surprised that the casualty / population ratio is so high for that group. They must be even more of a threat on our roads than I imagined.

[Headbanger]

I'm willing to believe all people with a different shade of skin then me are killers on the road.

Don't even need any statistics, Wild claims are fine by me.

Damn Asians, and their fancy motor vehicles.Damn them all to hell.


Which kind of works, seeing as they aren't Christians they are already condemned to eternal hell-fire.

[retro asian]

Those stats don't show how many people Asians have killed.

Sure we crash a lot and scrape our car up good... but we never drive fast enough to kill anyone

[Dave Lobster]

Sure we crash a lot and scrape our car up good... but we never drive fast enough to kill anyone

80km/h on an empty northern motorway, swerving between the lanes while tapping text messages to another empty headed teenage bimbo is PLENTY fast enough to kill me and the missus on our bike.

[Grahameeboy]

Whoever published those figures either had intent to mislead or was simply too stupid to come up with a decent study covering the many variables. Whoever it was left out too much important data for the figures to have any real meaning.

Most of the Asians in NZ live in pocket communities within Auckland's urban limits. They only have to shuffle next door to say "wing wong waaaah" to their mates and eat sweet and sour cat while they do their paua poaching deals over a bottle of kawasaki and a deck of cards. They don't spend much time driving across or out of town to see people that live in the general community and they are big users of public transport anyway. It's the occasional times when they do get out of the urban limits in their cars (probably lost, because they couldn't read the road signs because they couldn't be bothered learning the language of the country they've infested) that the fun really begins.

I'm actually alarmed about the above data. Taking the other facts into account I'm surprised that the casualty / population ratio is so high for that group. They must be even more of a threat on our roads than I imagined.

Mmmm....the rate of accidents is lower than the % of pop they represent and the Kiwi's are opposite so no idea how you figure that one out.Sadly a typical NZ discriminating comment....

[Grahameeboy]

You are a model citizen, just buy into all the tripe the govt feed you.
Learn to think for yourself man.

First off, there is no comparison of average distance travelled.
NZ has the second highest MV ownership rate in the world and according to some reports about double the UK. If the distance travelled is along the lines of ownership you have your answer as to why the apparent disparity.

A substantial portion of the fleet is quite old and as such safety standards tend to be lower.

Speaking of safety standards. When the govt commissioned a report into why the big disparity such as pointed out in your post it was buried - as it didn't conform to the pre-determined outcomes of speed and bad driving.

In there it was noted that there was a distinct lack of safety requirements. For example, things like side intrusion beams, which were standard in many countries are not required (nor were they provided) in the same NZ models. I know some of that changed when the media got hold of parts of the report, however they are still not mandatory.
There was a lot of other stuff that was leaked also - little gems like it was calculated that if everyone drove with their seat 1" further back it would decrease the death and injury rate significantly. Some do have this option and could exercise it if they were aware of it.

The point being however, experts have looked into this and all we know about the study is that a) it was buried and b) it reported a lot of problems other than driver and speed.

I agree...I looked at the factors for accidents and did not see excessive speed in the highest group or for that matter anywhere..driver error.I mean the triple fatality crash this weekend involved stupid driving...some nerd thinks it made sense to overtake a line of traffic....apart from the obvious potential for one of the cars ahead wanting to overtake..the vision was an issue....yes speed was involved but not the cause of the accident.Traffic density...maybe over all NZ ie scattered but don't tell me that London is not heavy with traffic...ever been on the M25 in rush hour...

[The Stranger:Me]

Traffic density...maybe over all NZ ie scattered but don't tell me that London is not heavy with traffic...ever been on the M25 in rush hour...

I didn't.
London alone has about 7.5 million people. Traffic density must surely far exceed anything we see here.

I spoke of vehicle ownership rates i.e. number of vehicles per 1,000 people.

But tell me please, what then was the purpose of your post, was there a point to be made? And what does it have to do with speed limits?

[Grahameeboy]

I didn't.
London alone has about 7.5 million people. Traffic density must surely far exceed anything we see here.

I spoke of vehicle ownership rates i.e. number of vehicles per 1,000 people.

But tell me please, what then was the purpose of your post, was there a point to be made? And what does it have to do with speed limits?

I assumed your point re ownership was linked to density...you still only have 3.2 million cars in NZ which is 10,000 hectares larger than UK so I think density, as in UK wins since surely the more traffic = the more accidents.Speed limits...my point was that despite have one of the lowest average speed limits NZ still has a death rate twice that of UK...not saying that speed is the main factor, however, velocity and decleration are linked.