Who says Asians are bad drivers?

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2009, 10:03

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I assumed your point re ownership was linked to density...you still only have 3.2 million cars in NZ which is 10,000 hectares larger than UK so I think density, as in UK wins since surely the more traffic = the more accidents.

I also would assume that is the most likely outcome of greater density. However your stats were comparing fatality rates, not accident rates. I don't accept that the a larger number of fender benders in gridlock traffic for example means more death.

Speed limits...my point was that despite have one of the lowest average speed limits NZ still has a death rate twice that of UK...not saying that speed is the main factor, however, velocity and decleration are linked.

NZ doesn't have a death rate of twice that of the UK, when adjusted for ownership - and possibly/probably distances travelled.

The point is, NO remotely reasonable comparrison AT ALL (i.e. NONE, not a one, nada, zip, nothing) can be drawn from the figures you present, between NZ and UK road safety. There is too much information missing.

**Grahameeboy** · 18th May 2009, 10:24

Originally Posted by The Stranger

NZ doesn't have a death rate of twice that of the UK, when adjusted for ownership - and possibly/probably distances travelled.

The point is, NO remotely reasonable comparrison AT ALL (i.e. NONE, not a one, nada, zip, nothing) can be drawn from the figures you present, between NZ and UK road safety. There is too much information missing.

Here it is from a NZ Herald ArticleLast year drivers identified as being Asian were involved in 8 per cent of injury traffic crashes where ethnicity was recorded, and 5 per cent of fatal crashes

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2009, 10:46

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Here it is from a NZ Herald ArticleLast year drivers identified as being Asian were involved in 8 per cent of injury traffic crashes where ethnicity was recorded, and 5 per cent of fatal crashes

Yet rental car companies in NZ came under fire for loading premiums for asian drivers - apparently their data showed a definite increased risk. Go figure.

**Grahameeboy** · 18th May 2009, 11:06

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Yet rental car companies in NZ came under fire for loading premiums for asian drivers - apparently their data showed a definite increased risk. Go figure.

Do you own a rental car business then?That may be for Tourist's or just the usual knee jerk reaction to an unsubstantiated claim...

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2009, 11:25

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Do you own a rental car business then?That may be for Tourist's or just the usual knee jerk reaction to an unsubstantiated claim...

Don't need to own a rental car business to read there Grahameeboy.
It was a simple presentation of the facts - unlike you, I inferred no conclusion or interpretation.

The very best business decisions of course are based on knee jerk reactions to unsubstantiated claims. These are after all the best way to make money and stay in business.

**Grahameeboy** · 18th May 2009, 12:04

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Don't need to own a rental car business to read there Grahameeboy.
It was a simple presentation of the facts - unlike you, I inferred no conclusion or interpretation.

The very best business decisions of course are based on knee jerk reactions to unsubstantiated claims. These are after all the best way to make money and stay in business.

Like the banks then..We will just have to beg to disagree on this one then.....I knew I would get in trubs for defending Asian drivers but hey ho

**The Stranger:Me** · 18th May 2009, 12:25

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

We will just have to beg to disagree on this one then.....I knew I would get in trubs for defending Asian drivers but hey ho

Ah - no.
At NO stage in this thread have I had any issue with your position on Asian drivers and I have no beef with their driving.

I do however have issue with the standard of "proof" provided.
What has been provided both as it relates to Asian and UK drivers has been nothing more than opinion - which of course you are only too entitled to - however it is opinion posed as fact.
It is this posing of opinion as fact to which I take exception.

**Rayray401** · 18th May 2009, 12:42

blah, you get good Asian drivers and bad Asian drivers, same with white, Maori, Pacific Islander, American, European..just cos Asians show a higher stats in accidents...does that mean if im Asian im definitely a bad driver?..if you say yes. then fuck you..if you say no..then i think that would apply to all races..not just asians.

**Grahameeboy** · 18th May 2009, 12:55

Originally Posted by Rayray401

blah, you get good Asian drivers and bad Asian drivers, same with white, Maori, Pacific Islander, American, European..just cos Asians show a higher stats in accidents...does that mean if im Asian im definitely a bad driver?..if you say yes. then fuck you..if you say no..then i think that would apply to all races..not just asians.

That's right...you get bad Kiwi drivers and....and...and.......bugger it's on the tip of my tongue

**Grahameeboy** · 18th May 2009, 12:57

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Ah - no.
At NO stage in this thread have I had any issue with your position on Asian drivers and I have no beef with their driving.

I do however have issue with the standard of "proof" provided.
What has been provided both as it relates to Asian and UK drivers has been nothing more than opinion - which of course you are only too entitled to - however it is opinion posed as fact.
It is this posing of opinion as fact to which I take exception.

I got that info from the Land Transport Site and NZ Herald....