Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[scrivy]

You've got great ideas Quasi, and thinking outside the square......

You looked at some of my plans for the TRRS this year?????
More will be revealed very soon.................

[Shaun]

No I haven't taken taylors comment out of context he was clearly having a snide underhanded swipe at the present CEO of MNZ and as a freind of Paul Pav I will bite back. so go and fuck yourself drew.

That;s so funny Scouse, you and Paul Pav both use rather bad language in places where people may be offended, " LIKE THE IMPORTER MEETING"

Perhaps all you people speaking on Paul Pav's behalf, better grow up real quick, as all you are doing is Actually Making Paul P look weak, as he does not ever deffend himself on here, knowing we are all talking about him, and he is OUR PAID STAFF memeber, so WE HAVE the write to say what we want to about him

[Shaun]

Interestingly enough the Road Race Spectacular is essentially run by two intelligent competitors...

Ba ha ha ha ha ha BURP! Woops

[Shaun S]

Ba ha ha ha ha ha BURP! Woops

Fuck thats funny, I got stuck when he used the word "intelligent" to descibe Scrivy.

[JayRacer37]

Sounds like a hell of an idea Quasi. Reminds me of Red Fentons (Triple R) John Britten Memorial meeting. He had just a bit more than a normal meetings advertisement, just a bit more promos and attractions at the meeting, and it really went off, was a great meeting.

Sketchy racer and I were talking yesterday about possible reasons why people arn't doing the nationals. These ranged from cost to build a bike (which it seems MNZ are trying to adress now) to lack of sponsorship (not willing to pay for it themselves). Then to the guys who couldn't afford to do the whole championship but could do one island (north or south) but chose not to since they wouldn't 'get' anything out at the end of it (result, ranking).

We came up with the idea of holding a separate North and South cup within the nationals where your points at each island counted to a championship result. Sketchy is actually a good representitive of this - he couldn't do South island this year so finished 5th in F3. With a NI/SI cup his seasons results would be F3 5th, NI cup 1st, SI Cup not participated. This gives the club guys more of an incentive to show up at the national rounds for their island and try to get a result within that. It's also something that bridges the gap between localised club meets and the whole national series.

Jay

[Shaun]

Good thinking boys

[JayRacer37]

Good thinking boys

The other thing is, it wouldn't cost anything and would be as easy to impliment as asking Tim Gibbes to make a couple of seperate tables up in his spreadsheets.

[scrivy]

Ba ha ha ha ha ha BURP! Woops

You have to remember Shaun, that Sidecar Bob is just a sidecar passenger - so to him, I 'seem' to be intelligent........

Fuck thats funny, I got stuck when he used the word "intelligent" to descibe Scrivy.

I'm hurt mate, real hurt......... (but I guess the truth always hurts....)
But Shaun S, I can tie my own shoelaces, and only lick the occasional window......................... (if no-ones watching...)

Anyway, enough BS, back to the serious stuff!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Ba ha ha ha ha ha BURP! Woops

And heck what a hell of a good job they did as well!

[Quasievil]

You've got great ideas Quasi, and thinking outside the square......

You looked at some of my plans for the TRRS this year?????
More will be revealed very soon.................

Cheers mate, I hadnt seen your plans up until a moment ago, it looks really good, I enjoyed the three days of solid racing last year I had a blast.
Infact your event proves testimony to the fact that it can be done.

[Quasievil]

Sounds like a hell of an idea Quasi. Reminds me of Red Fentons (Triple R) John Britten Memorial meeting. He had just a bit more than a normal meetings advertisement, just a bit more promos and attractions at the meeting, and it really went off, was a great meeting.

Sketchy racer and I were talking yesterday about possible reasons why people arn't doing the nationals. These ranged from cost to build a bike (which it seems MNZ are trying to adress now) to lack of sponsorship (not willing to pay for it themselves). Then to the guys who couldn't afford to do the whole championship but could do one island (north or south) but chose not to since they wouldn't 'get' anything out at the end of it (result, ranking).

We came up with the idea of holding a separate North and South cup within the nationals where your points at each island counted to a championship result. Sketchy is actually a good representitive of this - he couldn't do South island this year so finished 5th in F3. With a NI/SI cup his seasons results would be F3 5th, NI cup 1st, SI Cup not participated. This gives the club guys more of an incentive to show up at the national rounds for their island and try to get a result within that. It's also something that bridges the gap between localised club meets and the whole national series.

Jay

Good thinking Jay, I wonder tho how much actual racing becomes to much (ducks for cover) in that there is a reasonable amount of club racing already VMCC PMCC AMC TRRS, Street events etc (in the N.I) is there time for another whole series?
and I think that one or two rounds of a club level race round could actually attribute points to the the big show) for example

VMCC round 4 & 5 National Championship round
AMC Round 2 National Championship round
TRRS National Championship round

Duplicate that in the south island (sorry SI crew I dont know the rounds you have but you get the drift?)

Then from those rounds qualification etc hold the NZ National Championship (as I have described ya know the big show)

Bennifits I see here are an increase in the involvement of leading racers and race crews at club level as well as a Qualification process so all n sundry dont just pick n choose the National final.
Would it be also fair to say that it would increase the profile of the club events as well as drag some newer riders up as well as ,well, basically raise the bar in NZ racing??

Im thinking this would work well

[JayRacer37]

Good thinking Jay, I wonder tho how much actual racing becomes to much (ducks for cover) in that there is a reasonable amount of club racing already VMCC PMCC AMC TRRS, Street events etc (in the N.I) is there time for another whole series?
and I think that one or two rounds of a club level race round could actually attribute points to the the big show) for example

VMCC round 4 & 5 National Championship round
AMC Round 2 National Championship round
TRRS National Championship round

Duplicate that in the south island (sorry SI crew I dont know the rounds you have but you get the drift?)

Then from those rounds qualification etc hold the NZ National Championship (as I have described ya know the big show)

Bennifits I see here are an increase in the involvement of leading racers and race crews at club level as well as a Qualification process so all n sundry dont just pick n choose the National final.
Would it be also fair to say that it would increase the profile of the club events as well as drag some newer riders up as well as ,well, basically raise the bar in NZ racing??

Im thinking this would work well

So rather than have a national series per se, you would have it broken up into the last few rounds of each club championship? And then have one big 'Event' to do what? Would all of the national results come from this one event or would points from all of the club 'national' rounds count towards this? Do you have to participate in each club round to be able to win the 'event' nationals?

[codgyoleracer]

Sounds like a hell of an idea Quasi. Reminds me of Red Fentons (Triple R) John Britten Memorial meeting. He had just a bit more than a normal meetings advertisement, just a bit more promos and attractions at the meeting, and it really went off, was a great meeting.

Sketchy racer and I were talking yesterday about possible reasons why people arn't doing the nationals. These ranged from cost to build a bike (which it seems MNZ are trying to adress now) to lack of sponsorship (not willing to pay for it themselves). Then to the guys who couldn't afford to do the whole championship but could do one island (north or south) but chose not to since they wouldn't 'get' anything out at the end of it (result, ranking).

We came up with the idea of holding a separate North and South cup within the nationals where your points at each island counted to a championship result. Sketchy is actually a good representitive of this - he couldn't do South island this year so finished 5th in F3. With a NI/SI cup his seasons results would be F3 5th, NI cup 1st, SI Cup not participated. This gives the club guys more of an incentive to show up at the national rounds for their island and try to get a result within that. It's also something that bridges the gap between localised club meets and the whole national series.

Jay

Not a bad angle Jay/Sketchy

[Quasievil]

So rather than have a national series per se, you would have it broken up into the last few rounds of each club championship? And then have one big 'Event' to do what? Would all of the national results come from this one event or would points from all of the club 'national' rounds count towards this? Do you have to participate in each club round to be able to win the 'event' nationals?

Yeah, drop the current format of the nationals round break it up into some rounds of the club events where they gain Points that will contribute and qualify them to go into the final also from this (as you suggest) gain your N.I and S.I Leading riders and throw them into one BIG SHOW for the final championship event so if I was a racer in the north island wanting to be the NZ champion my Nationals calendar would look like this

VMCC round 4 & 5 National Championship round
AMC Round 2 National Championship round
TRRS National Championship round
THE BIG SHOW

As well as any other racing I wanted to do.

that work ?

[AndrewStroud]

Im sure for someone like you there could be some good money to be made being a promoter and there has been talk that MNZ needs a paid promoter as well, maybe when you have had enough of racing....??

maybe.....I was thinking about it last night actually