Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

[peasea]

Hand on a second, how does this sentence handed down today align with your claim that this former officer "used the position to evade punishment for wrongdoing"?

Quite right, my bad, remove the word "other".

He's still an arsehole:http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...rs-actions-sad

[caseye]

Cheers for the link peasea, after reading this I am heartened to see that the riders may in fact be getting the 3o grand each and it confirms my earlier comment about the chareacter or lack of it shown by this ex Police Officer.
I hope it hurts HIS Pocket alot.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm confused...

If the officer was 'working' when he screwed up and his employer (NZ Govt) sets the tone and targets for his actions.... how come his employer does not have any financial responsibility here??

Rather odd....

[caseye]

Odd ? maybe, about time? Yes.Personal responsibility would stop most of this sort of thing happening if the fools doing the dumb shit knew it was THEM that was going to be made to pay or be put in jail till the fine was paid.
Ha, if only we did that here, played the game the way the crims do! Hard, least till they drop the ball, then they cry foul! I'm sorry I was raised bad.
Sorry Paul I didn't answer your question,I think that in this case the Police are showing their disfavour with this ex's attitude and demeanour.I certainly hope so and that it isn't ultimately US that pays the money this time.
Having said that, those two guys deserve all they do get and more.

[FJRider]

Odd ? no, about time? Yes.Personal responsibilty would stop most of this sort of thing happening if the fools doing the dumb shit knew it was THEM that was going to be made to pay or be put in jail till the fine was paid.
Ha if only we did that here, played the game the way the crims do! Hard, least till tney drop the ball, then they cry foul! I'm sorry I was raised bad.

I spent a few years in Singapore. That is how their court system works.If you have to go to court (You have to appear in a suit,and a tie), you know (have to find out) what the maxium fine will be, and tak that amount. If a fine is given by the judge, you pay the fine BEFORE you leave the courtroom ... or you go to jail untill the fine is PAID.

[terbang]

One would now hope that police bosses will be taking a closer look at pursuit policies and that individual cops, as professional road users, will also be reviewing their own personal attitudes and performances in this area.

[Mom]

I'm confused...

If the officer was 'working' when he screwed up and his employer (NZ Govt) sets the tone and targets for his actions.... how come his employer does not have any financial responsibility here??

Rather odd....

No doubt if you want to have a hunt back through this thread you will find me condeming the actions of this then Police officer, or if you cant find a post, know I thought that way. He did something incredibly stupid and reckless, resulting in two bikers getting badly injured.

He came out swinging, the bikers were speeding, he did nothing wrong, his employer was silent. Over time it seemed more likely he was telling porkies. He left the police, no doubt with his pension and an agreement that he will take whatever punishment is heading his way to be his own problem. He was not dismissed, he resigned.

He has now faced the court and been found guilty of the offense he was charged with. He has been punished far harder than you or I would have been. Reparation will be expected, and I am picking this man will actually pay it, unlike the scumbags that I have had dealings with and who owe me money who dont pay up.

I am betting he got full pension entitlements to go away, all associated costs were to be his own. Wonder what the pension rights would have been should he have stuck it out to face dismissal by the police.

Chapter closed, he fucked up and it has been proven in court, he has been punished and will pay up.

What a shitty way to end a police career.

[Paul in NZ]

yes yes - all true but my point is....

If the army backed over your bike with a tank - would the army pay or their driver? Say I'm driving a work van and crash into you, our insurance company would pay and then they may come after me for the $$....

So - did the Police pay to have the bikes fixed / written off etc and this is on top of that?

OR is this personal damages...

Look at the wider context, yes this guy did a really stupid thing and then didn't help himself but does this translate to an armed offender thing that goes wrong. Would the individual police guy get sued or take to court?

Good as this outcome is because it involved bikers, will it stop officers taking a risk in another situation due to personal liability?

[FJRider]

yes yes - all true but my point is....

If the army backed over your bike with a tank - would the army pay or their driver? Say I'm driving a work van and crash into you, our insurance company would pay and then they may come after me for the $$....

So - did the Police pay to have the bikes fixed / written off etc and this is on top of that?

OR is this personal damages...

Look at the wider context, yes this guy did a really stupid thing and then didn't help himself but does this translate to an armed offender thing that goes wrong. Would the individual police guy get sued or take to court?

Good as this outcome is because it involved bikers, will it stop officers taking a risk in another situation due to personal liability?

Most companys have Public Liability Insurance, in the case of "accidents" with/involving that companys vehicles.
If it involves the breaking of laws that require court action, and the defendant found guilty... those companys seldom come to the party in reparation. Unless they have been found (proven) they instructed their staff member to do it.

[Katman]

Those of you who continue to bring up the old "the bastard accused them of speeding" line make me fucking laugh.

I mean for fuck's sake, one of the motorcyclists even admitted after the court case that they were speeding.

Human nature being what it is means that people say and do whatever it takes to get them out of the shit.

Every one of you would probably do just the same.

[FJRider]

Chapter closed, he fucked up and it has been proven in court, he has been punished and will pay up.

This chapter may be closed, but no doubt another will start.

And this thread will continue ... for a while ...

[BMWST?]

Those of you who continue to bring up the old "the bastard accused them of speeding" line make me fucking laugh.

I mean for fuck's sake, one of the motorcyclists even admitted after the court case that they were speeding.

Human nature being what it is means that people say and do whatever it takes to get them out of the shit.

Every one of you would probably do just the same.

agree....say we had agreed to meet one of our mates at the end of Buller Gorge....he was late,so we go looking for him ,and pass each other ,so in a moment of hot headedness,we slam on the brakes and do a u turn,but we misjudge,the width of the road,and the visibility round the corner.As we are trying to complete the U turn a red Commodore SS comes round the corner and smashes into us.......I can guess the first reaction of the u turning motorcyclist....

[ynot slow]

Those of you who continue to bring up the old "the bastard accused them of speeding" line make me fucking laugh.

I mean for fuck's sake, one of the motorcyclists even admitted after the court case that they were speeding.

Human nature being what it is means that people say and do whatever it takes to get them out of the shit.

Every one of you would probably do just the same.

I read a report that the crash unit couldn't accurately say the speed at impact was,roughly 104-116km if I recall,hardly warranting a ticket,unless quota was low.Sure they may have been speeding prior to the crash,but obviously the car was in a close proximity to the bend for a bike not to be able to stop,imagine a 40tonne rig coming round the bend,no cop alive then scenario.Then headlines of speeding rig kills officer,dramatic don't think so,maybe the officers all need a decent vehicle training session rather than a few hours at manfeild during training,they are all not like a supercar driver,like us all.

Re deny at all costs has been this cops downfall,and he has been shafted by the superiors attitude to him maybe,but at victim impact report a bit of compassion may have helped,none of I didn't do anything wrong bullshit.

[Katman]

I read a report that the crash unit couldn't accurately say the speed at impact was,roughly 104-116km if I recall

Speed at impact???????

Are you suggesting they didn't even bother to brake?

Or are you suggesting they were doing more than 104-116kph as they came around the corner?

And besides, what part of 'being able to stop within the distance visible to you' don't you understand?

[nadroj]

Speed at impact???????

Are you suggesting they didn't even bother to brake?

Or are you suggesting they were doing more than 104-116kph as they came around the corner?

And besides, what part of 'being able to stop within the distance visible to you' don't you understand?

Where did you get this from? It used to be that you had to be able to stop within half the clear distance ahead!