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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Smith View Post
    I believe they are looking at these types of changes.
    I like the idea of a muffler, rear spring, fork oil and a fairing.
    Someone could race a bike for a year then sell it as a stock bike without loosing a heap of money on cams, motor work, shocks, etc.
    The winter series allows some stock bikes to get on to the track, but you wont see them at the nationals unless the rules are changed to make them competive.
    I might even be tempted to give the 600 class ago.
    I just spoke to staff at Motorcycling Australia and they are now looking at future rules. They also have lower numbers for Superbike this season.
    It is proposed that their current 1000 Superstock class rules become the new rules for Superbike. Similarly for the 600 class.

    Some of proposal and rules below;
    The intention of revising the technical rules for the 4 most popular production based classes – Superbike, Supersport, Superstock 600 and Superstock 1000, is to cut the costs to competitors to build, maintain and repair these machines under the current economic climate by bring their specification back closer to the production base they have come from, while also allowing a more level playing field for all competitors who have previously been disadvantaged by the larger teams with more funding and technical support.
    Essentially each class has stepped back a category:
    Ie: what was Superstock 1000 in 2009 will become Superbike in 2010.
    What was Superstock 600 in 2009 will become Supersport, and what was Production in 2009 will become Superstock (600 and 1000 categories) in 2010.

    SPECIFIC PRODUCTION BASED ROAD RACING CLASSES FOR 2010 GCR’S

    SUPERSTOCK 600 and SUPERSTOCK 1000
    Eligible to C+ D grade riders
    Subject to the required and permitted
    alterations set out below and as covered in the general road racing section,
    Superstock 600 machines must:
    e) For 2 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 750cc,
    f) For 3 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 675cc,
    g) For 4 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 600cc,
    15.8.0.4 To be permitted to compete, a machine,
    without rider, empty of fuel, but with all
    other fluids at optimum levels, must
    weigh no less than:
    a) 162kg for 4 cylinder,
    b) 162kg for 3 cylinder,
    c) 170kg for 2 cylinder.
    Subject to the required and permitted
    alterations set out below and as covered in the general road racing section,
    Superstock 1000 machines must:
    e) For 2 and 3 cylinder engines, have
    an engine capacity of no more than
    1200cc,
    g) For 4 cylinder engines, have an engine capacity of no more than 1000cc
    i) To be permitted to compete, a
    machine, without rider, empty of
    fuel, but with all other fluids at
    optimum levels, must weigh no less than:
    i) 165kg for all 4 cylinder
    machines
    ii) 170kg for all 2 and 3
    cylinder machines

    A 1% tolerance at post race control will be allowed.

    SUPERSPORT
    Eligible to A + B grade riders
    Subject to the required and permitted
    alterations set out below and as covered in the general road racing section
    Supersport machines must:
    e) For 2 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 750cc,
    f) For 3 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 675cc,
    g) For 4 cylinder engines, have an engine
    capacity of no more than 600cc,
    15.8.0.4 To be permitted to compete, a machine,
    without rider, empty of fuel, but with all
    other fluids at optimum levels, must weigh no less than:
    a) 162kg for 4 cylinder,
    b) 162kg for 3 cylinder,
    c) 170kg for 2 cylinder.
    A 1% tolerance at post race control will be allowed.
    The following may be replaced or modified:
    j) Spark plug leads and cap,
    l) Brake hoses,
    m) The muffler and tail connector pipe at the bolt-on or slip-on flange joints
    only, the original header pipes must remain as supplied by the manufacturer,
    titanium and carbon fibre only allowed as muffler bodies, muffler end caps or mounting brackets.
    n) Front and rear suspension springs and internal components, but
    external appearance must remain unchanged except for fork top caps.
    o) Handlebars, but replacements must be mounted in the original position
    on the fork assembly
    p) Footrests and foot controls, but the replacements must be mounted at
    the original mounting points, and
    q) Air filter element,
    The following may be removed:
    c) Pollution air injection control systems

    15.8.0.8 The following may be added:
    a) Steering damper,
    b) Ride height adjuster, providing there
    is no modification or alteration to
    frame or rear suspension unit.
    c) MA approved fuel metering devices that plug into the original electrical connectors with no modification to the wiring harness. Std OEM ECU must be retained and operative,


    SUPERBIKE
    Eligible to A + B grade riders
    Subject to the required and permitted
    alterations set out below and as covered in the general road racing section,
    Superbike machines must:
    e) For 2 and 3 cylinder engines, have an engine capacity of no more than 1200cc,
    g) For 4 cylinder engines, have an engine capacity of no more than 1000cc
    i) To be permitted to compete, a machine, without rider, empty of
    fuel, but with all other fluids at optimum levels, must weigh no less than:
    i) 165kg for all 4 cylinder machines
    ii) 170kg for all 2 and 3 cylinder machines
    A 1% tolerance at post race control will be allowed off.
    The following may be removed:
    b) Chain guard,
    c) Pollution air injection control systems
    d) Rear fender,
    The following may be added:
    b) Ride height adjuster, providing there is no modification or
    alteration to the frame or rear suspension control unit,
    d) MA approved fuel metering
    devices that plug into the original electrical connectors with no modification to the wiring
    harness. Std OEM ECU must be retained and operative,
    15.9.0.8 The following may be replaced
    with parts not manufactured by the manufacturer of the machine:
    a) Brake hoses,
    d) Spark plug leads and cap,
    f) Exhaust system and mounting brackets, titanium and carbon fibre only allowed as muffler bodies, muffler end caps or mounting brackets. b23
    g) Rear suspension damping units and springs,
    h) Front suspension, springs and internal damping parts, including
    fork top caps may be modified or replaced, but the external
    appearance of the forks must not be changed,
    i) Clutch springs,
    j) Air filters,
    k) Fasteners for fitting external components where the
    manufacturer has no specific torque setting, or, it is less than 10nm,
    l) Handlebars, but replacements must be mounted at the original
    mounting points,
    m) Footrests and foot controls, but the replacements must be
    mounted at the original mounting points

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewStroud View Post
    I just spoke to staff at Motorcycling Australia and they are now looking at future rules. They also have lower numbers for Superbike this season.
    It is proposed that their current 1000 Superstock class rules become the new rules for Superbike. Similarly for the 600 class.
    Wow.........thats a big move by Auz M/cycling.
    That'd pretty much make an ex SBK/SSK bike fairly worthless, only being eligable for club racing.
    Thats evolution in racing I guess though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony.OK View Post
    Wow.........thats a big move by Auz M/cycling.
    That'd pretty much make an ex SBK/SSK bike fairly worthless, only being eligable for club racing.
    Thats evolution in racing I guess though.
    Yup, and a sign of the financial times we're now in.

    Makes Choppa look pretty damn smart now doesn't it.
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    Good info! But I would say its going to be met with some fairly heavy resistance from the factory teams, considering where their curret spec is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun P View Post
    Good info! But I would say its going to be met with some fairly heavy resistance from the factory teams, considering where their curret spec is..
    Especially considering they all just built '09 models, that would have still been competitive next year. Except the Kawasaki whoch might be due an upgrade, but when did the front guys last ride those? Anthony Gobert perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun P View Post
    Good info! But I would say its going to be met with some fairly heavy resistance from the factory teams, considering where their curret spec is..
    everyones hurting though...even them....but!!! your right...they will want to keep a compeditive advantage over privateers. and they still will some how...may just have to think up how!

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewStroud View Post
    I just spoke to staff at Motorcycling Australia
    Andrew...have you been talking to MNZ/Paul pav about these ideas? I know you get on well with Paul...and am sure you guys would have disscussed things...do you know how they are seeing things? do we need to be emailing them..reinforcing some of the better ideas that have been established online?
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Given the short comings of my riding style, it doesn't matter what I'm riding till I've got my shit in one sock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpoos View Post
    everyones hurting though...even them....but!!! your right...they will want to keep a compeditive advantage over privateers. and they still will some how...may just have to think up how!
    Maybe they just deal with it by hiring tracks and spending lots more time and money testing testing testing till they have the advantage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marknz View Post
    Maybe they just deal with it by hiring tracks and spending lots more time and money testing testing testing till they have the advantage?
    meh...maybe they make sure they have the fastest riders...that may help
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Given the short comings of my riding style, it doesn't matter what I'm riding till I've got my shit in one sock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpoos View Post
    meh...maybe they make sure they have the fastest riders...that may help
    now now poos everyone knows factory riders are only fast cause of their factory bikes not their talents, pretty much every privateer will tell you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcktfsh View Post
    now now poos everyone knows factory riders are only fast cause of their factory bikes not their talents, pretty much every privateer will tell you that.
    haha...I thought it would take a bit longer for someone to get my tounge in cheek remark!
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Given the short comings of my riding style, it doesn't matter what I'm riding till I've got my shit in one sock.

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    you appear to have swallowed a t whilst ounging your cheek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcktfsh View Post
    you appear to have swallowed a t whilst ounging your cheek.
    that was probably funnier before I edited my post!
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Given the short comings of my riding style, it doesn't matter what I'm riding till I've got my shit in one sock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpoos View Post
    Andrew...have you been talking to MNZ/Paul pav about these ideas? I know you get on well with Paul...and am sure you guys would have disscussed things...do you know how they are seeing things? do we need to be emailing them..reinforcing some of the better ideas that have been established online?
    I e-mailed the first post of this thread to him and also to the RR comissioner before the AGM. Pav thinks along similar lines anyway. We could though highlight some of the better ideas and forward them on - maybe when they have a road race comissioner and another N.I. Road Race board member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marknz View Post
    Yup, and a sign of the financial times we're now in.

    Makes Choppa look pretty damn smart now doesn't it.
    Its convenient to use ''the recession'' as a weapon to justify lowering costs ( and there is justification to lower costs but not to 3rd world status)
    Recessions dont last forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewStroud View Post
    I e-mailed the first post of this thread to him and also to the RR comissioner before the AGM. Pav thinks along similar lines anyway. We could though highlight some of the better ideas and forward them on - maybe when they have a road race comissioner and another N.I. Road Race board member.
    Paul Pavletich is not MNZ, he is in an administrative position that is only a part of MNZ!!!!! Not everyone within the MNZ umbrella shares his views of depriving people of choice.
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