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    New lung cancer test - would it stop you?

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    Smokers can now take a test to predict their risk of getting lung cancer, using world-first technology developed by Kiwi researchers.

    The gene-based mouth swab, which will cost $275, was developed from research carried out by Associate Professor Robert Young and Auckland University colleagues.

    But smokers who find themselves at the lower end of the risk scale have been warned they should not see it as an excuse "to happily go on smoking".

    Dr Young said yesterday the test, which goes by the trade name Respiragene, combined clinical risk factors, such as age, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and family history of lung cancer, with DNA obtained through mouth swabs.

    Lung cancer kills about 1400 New Zealanders each year. All smokers faced an increased risk of developing lung cancer but the risk was much greater for some than others, Dr Young said.

    Research suggested many smokers had an "optimistic bias", believing bad outcomes happened to other people rather than themselves. "The majority of smokers do not think they are at risk of lung cancer."

    The test, which can also be used by former smokers, would help doctors to overcome that belief, he said.

    Identifying high-risk patients early could lead to earlier cancer detection. The test groups smokers and past smokers into moderate, high and very high risk groups.

    "There is no such thing as low risk," Dr Young said. "Everybody should quit and there are some people at the very high-risk end."

    It was not recommended for non-smokers. "For someone who does not smoke, their risk of getting lung cancer is very, very low." But the researchers were investigating whether it would be useful for non-smokers exposed to passive smoke.

    Smokers wanting to take the test could call an 0800 number to discuss how to obtain it. They were asked to get their GPs to sign a request form and could be sent the swab test by mail.

    Dr Young and his colleagues will present the test to GPs at a conference in Rotorua this week.

    The test was developed by Synergenz Bioscience, a company spin-off from Auckland University. Results will be processed in Auckland by another university spin-off, DNA Diagnostics. Dr Young said the $275 cost per test would cover processing and continued research.

    Synergenz's test was the first in the world to combine genetic testing with clinical variables to establish relative lung cancer risk.

    Respiratory physician Peter Martin, medical adviser to the Quit Group, said the technology was "an extremely interesting scientific breakthrough" with significant applications.
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    But he warned its purpose was not to identify smokers who could "happily go on smoking".

    Even those found to have a moderate risk were at least 20 times as likely as non-smokers to develop lung cancer, he said.

    The test would be most useful for former smokers, because the heightened risk of developing lung cancer remained for many years after quitting. If they fell into the high-risk category, they could choose to have regular scans or other tests.

    "We know if lung cancer is diagnosed earlier, it has a better chance of being cured."

    'THEY SAVED MY LIFE'

    After more than 30 years of smoking, Alan Conlon had his "fingers crossed" that he wouldn't get lung cancer.

    But the gene-based "Respiragene" test developed by Auckland University researchers has identified him as very high risk.

    Mr Conlon took the test last year as part of the research. He had previously been involved in studies into chronic obstructive pulmonary disease also known as smoker's lung, or emphysema. People who have the disease are about six times more likely to get lung cancer than smokers without the disease.

    His gene test was followed up with a CT scan that revealed a suspicious nodule on his lungs. Fortunately, a follow-up scan three months later found it had not changed but Mr Conlon intends to keep up regular testing.

    "They effectively saved my life. It's my long-term goal to try and live to 100."

    The Auckland man, 67, started smoking when he was a teenager and gave up only a few years ago, when he was in his early sixties. He smoked two packets of pipe tobacco about every 10 days.

    "I had my fingers crossed. There's no cancer in my family so I hoped it would be OK. But it was flying by the seat of my pants."

    He hoped smokers would choose to take the test. "I think many smokers would be concerned about lung cancer if they were prepared to be honest and admit it."

    i cant honestly say knowing the risks would stop me .. i know the risks and have since my first smoke back in 76..
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    bit like speeding really
    It is what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    bit like speeding really
    speeding.. whiskey.. mcdonalds ..
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    What a load of shite.Another excuse for university to get more funding,hell the evidence is there that smoking can give you cancer,what more do you need not to start.
    My parents smoked,mum till she was 60,dad still does at 66,his father did and had emphaseama(sp)dad gets short of breath,but still feeds out on their 35acre farmlet,has about half a lung capcity,he has never had cancer yet,neither his brothers who have but given up over the years,maybe our lifestyle has something to do with cancers.
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    I doubt it will make any difference to most smokers. Those who maybe need an excuse to give up may see this as a good thing, but most will carry on regardless. After all, it's not like the dangers of smoking haven't been known for years.

    My two parents smoked all their lives and both died of cancer - just days before her death from lung cancer, my mother asked her doctor if she could have a cigarette "because I'm going to die anyway and I really want one". When a close friend's mother died of cancer she begged my mother to stop smoking and she did - for about three weeks. She had no real desire to stop and it ended up killing her.

    My two sisters smoke like chimneys and my brother used to smoke. I've never smoked and will really pissed off if I ever develop cancer, but at least I won't be contributing to my own misfortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE View Post
    I know the risks and have since my first smoke back in 76..
    I know the risks and have since not too long after my first and last smoke in 1963, age 8. That's why I don't smoke.

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    I'm lucky because despite growing up with family members who all smoked, I hated the smell so was never tempted to try it for myself! And although they used to complain about how revolting it smelled, nearly all my nieces and nephews smoke, so I don't know what makes people take it up really.

    When I was doing my nursing training a woman called me into her room - well, she gasped out the words as she was dying from emphysema - and told me to NEVER smoke as that was what was the cause of her illness.

    When I was about 14 my mother and brother got a hypnosis tape to stop smoking. I fell asleep while they smoked their way through it, and I've never had any desire to start smoking!
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    Smoking is bad for you?

    (I don't smoke).
    It’s diametrically opposed to the sanitised existence of the Lemmings around me in the Dilbert Cartoon hell I live in; it’s life at full volume, perfect colour with high resolution and 10,000 watts of amplification.

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    Wait 5 years, and the financial impact will be greater.

    I can see insurance companies refusing health insurance to those who smoke and have not had the test, or at least increasing their premiums substantially more.
    And of course, expect any smoking related issues to be excluded from cover should you have a positive result, if you can even get cover.

    Then their are implications with ACC. ACC will now know you are going to need very expensive care, then it is reasonable that your ACC premiums will go up substantially to cover that cost.

    I can see ramifications in some work scenarios as well. How could an employer engage someone in a dangerous field if they know that as they gradually develope lung cancer the safety of that employee and their team will gradually become more and more impaired.

    Perhaps a move to smoking licences could happen? And if your licence is endorsed that you are highly likely to have lung cancer then your cigarettes cost double to cover the cost of your medical care.

    Just wait. Things we haven't even thought of will start to happen now that there is a measurable test available.
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    People will only quit smoking if they want to. Knowing the risks has rarely been a factor on its own.

    Smokers generally have three issues to address, one is the physical addiction to Nicotine, second is the habit, third is stress, (think about that one).

    You have to address each issue once a person has decided they definitely want to quit and they must be able to replace smoking with something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    You have to address each issue once a person has decided they definitely want to quit and they must be able to replace smoking with something else.
    Masturbation

    Might get some complaints during smoko though
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    My Grandfather smoked everyday from age 6, working in the Strawberry fields. Smoked like a train, up until 1976. He told me the exact date, he knows it anyway. He also drank heavily, as people did after work in those days. Although that was abit older than 6 LOL

    I heard these stories whilst waiting in Auckland Hospital for his radiation therapy last week. He has Cancer. He is an extremely successful man but regards smoking to be the downfall of his entire life.

    I think it would have to be one thing i would happily give credit to the Labour Government for. The negative press surrounding smoking is now huge. It is no longer seen as 'cool' either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flatcap View Post
    masturbation

    might get some complaints during smoko though
    hasnt so far ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatcap View Post
    Masturbation

    Might get some complaints during smoko though
    Surely in such circumstances, such an event would be called "wanko"?
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