Bradfordism: Bill for referendum due to bill

[Marmoot]

Well that leaves 3,700,000 who have better things to do.


C'mon, we had a parliament where they are at each others throats day and night, heaps of political points to score by not supporting the law change (there was an election looming) and lots of noise from upset Kiwis about their "rights". Despite that - almost every MP voted in favour of the amendment.

Why?

Wrong. You had 3,700,000 (minus 113 in the parliament) that prefer not to say anything or was too busy to actually think. Or supported whatever their party is saying just because they depend on them being in power to hand out cash in the form of benefits.

And you don't need me to tell you that parliament often voted in virtual unison against the wishes of a large number of the population.
For recent examples, see prostitution reform act, lowering drinking age, crushing cars act, hell even taxcut had almost half of the nation saying no.
For historical example, you only need to see Guy Fawkes.

You would be very naive if you think Democracy is all about representation, and that everything said and done in the Parliament is to be interpreted as the wish of the society. Democracy is nothing but a periodic dictatorship where every few years new dictators are voted by the apathetic subjects that are simply paid just enough not to complain.

[RantyDave]

Can we have some sort of referendum to get rid of Sue Bradford before the next election?

Oh, that's easily done. It's called ... an election. If few enough people vote green she's on the DPB "by lunchtime".

Dave

[MSTRS:Me]

I must admit I had assumed the word "good" was used to distinguish between good and bad parental correction and that the law would (ambiguously no doubt as is the latest craze made popular by the last government) be structured around this approach. That is, a smack may be acceptable as part of good parental correction, but you may not use that defence for bad parental correction.

You think too much. Unlike so many who may respond in this referendum with a 'Yes' - because they misread the question by glossing over the 'be a criminal offense' - thinking that they are good parents.

Is it ok for an adult to hit an adult? Apparently not, but Police have truncheons, tazers and handcuffs to "correct" Adult behaviour...

About time someone drew that analogy. Police as parents...criminals as unruly children. Works for me.

[Marmoot]

About time someone drew that analogy. Police as parents...criminals as unruly children. Works for me.

It's not OK to punch an adult as it is not OK to punch a child.

But the main issue is not the slap or the smack or the punch or the drop roundhouse kick that Chuck Norris can do. It is Government needlessly going into family's life.
Yesterday it's smacking, today it's car exhaust, and tomorrow will be showerheads and lightbulbs. What's next? Are we into Chinese Democracy now?

[The Pastor]

agree with her views or not, shes one of the best MP's we have (in terms of getting her bills into law)

[MSTRS:Me]

It's not OK to punch an adult as it is not OK to punch a child.

But the main issue is not the slap or the smack or the punch or the drop roundhouse kick that Chuck Norris can do. It is Government needlessly going into family's life.
Yesterday it's smacking, today it's car exhaust, and tomorrow will be showerheads and lightbulbs. What's next? Are we into Chinese Democracy now?

So you are saying that Police never use a punch in their pursuit of controlling a criminal in the act of being apprehended?
Now, I'm not suggesting that to punch a child is ok. Just using the analogy of police powers in place of parents

[Swoop]

The wording seems quite clear. Obviously written by a citizen, rather than a pen-pushing Wellington-Circular-Wind-Tunnel inbred.

Sue Badford. Fuck off and die. You are part of the problem, NOT part of the solution.

[Marmoot]

So you are saying that Police never use a punch in their pursuit of controlling a criminal in the act of being apprehended?

Actually, I think in this nanny state if you can prove you've been punched by Police then an enquiry can be conducted to see if it falls into Police brutality.

Hey mate I am with you 100%. I don't have anything against Police punching criminals. In fact, I'd recommend it. I'd want to join it.
But yes the law most definitely says it's technically illegal.

[Skyryder]

agree with her views or not, shes one of the best MP's we have (in terms of getting her bills into law)

Yes she is. I suspect that this may well have been..............for want of a better word .........prearranged.

Love her her hate history may well assign Sue Bradford in the same ranks as Mabel Howard, Kate Shepard etc.


Skyryder

[MSTRS:Me]

Love her her hate history may well assign Sue Bradford in the same ranks as Mabel Howard, Kate Shepard etc.

That's a new low, even for you.

[Robert Taylor]

Sue Bradford is just an amazing political machine that never tires. Maybe all our MPs should follow her example of dedication.

Another bill from Sue Bradford? The last one triggered this referendum and now she wants to have another bill to respond to this referendum, which was originally caused by her? All these debacle wouldn't have happened had she thought before opening her mouth in the beginning. MPs who waste our time and tax money on such things need to be expelled.

The only good Bradford that was in Parliament was Max Bradford, defence minister in the Shipley administration. He organised that amazing deal on F16s for our RNZAF, then the incoming communists promptly cancelled it.
Sue Bradford, nothing a piece of lead wouldnt fix.

[Skyryder]

That's a new low, even for you.

Take a look at some of the woman who were reviled in their time Emily Pankhurst, and closer to home Sonja Davies....two that just spring to mind .......and how history has assigned them a new role in society.

There may come a day when in your time you may well see the truth of my statement..................I'm too old....................but history does have a designated path for female icons............general revulsion by the population is one of them.................grass roots as a background is another..............Two of which Bradford has.

Only a fool judges those that history has not finished with.


Skyryder

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[Marmoot]

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[oldrider]

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Ha ha, good one!

Personally I believe you should be able to mind your own business but as soon as your behaviour encroaches on someone else's business or rights, you should be slammed for it!

Personal responsibility and all that jazz!