Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Katman]

....we need oxygen to breath...

Sshhhhh, don't go putting ideas in their heads.

[Dave Lobster]

Resentment is created by those who resent - not those who are resented.

Initially, maybe. But the resented don't help by fuelling it, do they?

There are a myriad of taxpayer funded initiatives that benefit the few - breast cancer screening, sports funding, the entire mental health and disability sector....it would fill several pages to even begin to list them all.

Name one that is based on race. As far as I'm aware, white people and brown are treated equally when it comes to breast cancer screening. Although, the adverts seem to be aimed more at one race than others..

[Jantar]

Do you know any 'poor farmers who have had to give up their land'?

I bet you don't.

And that would be because the settlements have come from the Crown, which, if it didn't already own the land, had to purchase it at market rates.

Stop and think before posting, eh?

My Grandfather was one. He lost his farm in Taranaki under the Public Works Act during WW2. When the crown decided they no longer need the land it was offered back to the original owners. That was the moari tribe who it was confiscated from in the first place. A legal confiscation, because they broke the treaty!

[Katman]

Do you know any 'poor farmers who have had to give up their land'?

Not on exactly the same topic and possibly not even in the same context but, the McLennan family were paid a pittance for their farmland when it was 'seized' under some National Emergency Act before WWII to allow Papakura military camp to be built.

If the family want the land back now they are expected to pay a not-so-small fortune for it.

Doesn't seem quite the same way that Maori Land claims are settled.

[scumdog]

Let go eh. Tell that to the Irish regarding Oliver Cromwell, the Scots regarding the Clearances, the people of the Balkans who variously still love/revile Vlad the Impaler from the 15th century! Grievances from Vlads day played out directly in the Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian war which took place in the 1990s. 500 years later.

Go back even further to the Diaspora when the Romans expelled the Jews from Palestine in 300AD. That was finally dealt with in 1948.

Sometimes history and culture come together to heal wrongs. We can only try.

Right!
That does it!
I'm orf back to Scotland and put in whopping claim against the Poms for rooting Scottish cattle and stealing Scots women all those years ago.

And my ancestors never got a single blanket or musket in compensation neither...

[Mr Merde]

Do you know any 'poor farmers who have had to give up their land'?

I bet you don't.

And that would be because the settlements have come from the Crown, which, if it didn't already own the land, had to purchase it at market rates.

Stop and think before posting, eh?

http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/A...Tribunal1.html

How about the Alan and Susan Titford case.

[AD345]

Initially, maybe. But the resented don't help by fuelling it, do they?



Name one that is based on race. As far as I'm aware, white people and brown are treated equally when it comes to breast cancer screening. Although, the adverts seem to be aimed more at one race than others..

Not interested - this is not the forum for it and you are not interested in leaning anything. You just want to prove your point.

We don't agree

We are not ever going to agree

and that's the end of that.

[bsasuper]

I really loved it when they came up with the idea of putting in a claim to NASA for using the space over NZ

[McJim]

New Zealand once had a reputation for being at the forefront of new ideas. We were the first nation to introduce the old age pension and the womans vote.

We have again taken the high moral ground by recognising and remedying historical injustices against Maori. Canada is doing the same for the Inuit.

The Waitangi Tribunal was established in 1975, so this process has been going on for 34 years. It isn't new.

Settlements come from Crown land, lump sums, and assets purchased by the Crown for that purpose. The burden of settlement is not imposed on a single generation, at 34 years we are already into our second generation. Also Crown land holdings date back to the 1840s.

Correct me if I'm wrong - isn't treating a group of people differently based on their ethnicity institutional racism?

The people that were wronged are long since dead - the people that committed the wrongs are long since dead. Why is it still going on?

My clan were all but annihilated by the Montgomeries in the 17th century - it's not like we're gonna get any reparation.

[middleaged2wheeler]

A cynic and perhaps future historians would say David Lange and the Labour Party set the modern Treaty Settlements rolling to buy off the Maori vote through a veil of political respectibility and at no Labour Party direct costs.--A political vote winner in other words--sure worked for a while way bac then.

[middleaged2wheeler]

Notice that no other political party BEFORE then had opened that can of worms. Even the 1935 Labour Reform govt didn,t touch that issue.
Served Labour well , 2 series of 3 political terms in Govt.Those who study history view things differently, especially when politics involved. Look for political gain for motives in their decisions as that is how they survive.

[Genestho]

JRAN! O Jraaaaaaaan...

Can you please explain the statistical red herrings as you understand it, and if anyone else has info, that disputes the "stats" could they please share?

The reason I ask this, is because I'm interested in stats and the data, and am privy to quite alot of stats, that reflect right throughout our society.

The stats show what they show.
Also my concern is if they what they show, then where is all this treaty money going, is it going to correct the issues?

Is it filtering down, or are there Fat Cats, with cigars, and cheshire grins, supping at the cream.

You may ask, what business is it of mine, I'm interested as my life was invaded, and my family became part of these stats across a threshold of areas.

And also the book you mention, is that the Micheal King book that is heavily disputed even amongst Maori, I've heard, and no I don't know details regarding facts disputed! Although keen to know!

Or is the disputed Micheal King book under another title? He has a couple eh?
And for goodness sake I am NOT being racist! I am actually concerned!

[Usarka]

Stop it, it's racist to disagree with or debate against any treaty compensation or maori land ownership issues.

[Pussy]

Or is the disputed Micheal King book under another title? He has a couple eh?

Was it a Michael (I LOVE pork!!) King book?

[Genestho]

Stop it, it's racist to disagree with or debate against any treaty compensation or maori land ownership issues.

Nothing like debating a dispute, disbuting a debate? PMSL

Funny you say that....I recall seeing a lady on Maori TV when asked about her opinion on the stats, and the answer?

"why don't they go take their stats somewhere else." Brilliant.

I think that's the frustration, that perhaps fact is misconstrued as racisim, which is a pity!