Would you race superbike?

**Drew** · 10th July 2009, 21:59

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

If you can run at the pointy end on a good bike then on a $10k bike with hard tyres you could as well. Thats all it cost to set up my k7 superstock bike, also i have a 180hp k7 in race trim for 10k over here. Thats about the same price as a half decent sv. Still thats more then a bucket hahaha

You are setting your bike up, to run in Superstock, on the tyres you have to run there.

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

ps. Your 180 horse weapon, was a deal done by Suzuki New Zealand, for team LG. Not available to Joe Bloggs. What I got my bike for, is cheaper than I have seen anything that'd compete with it for.

Originally Posted by brads

Im not sure I buy into all this about tyres being the main reason SBK is to expensive,last year I did 2 club days,1 track day and half a day of friday practice at teretonga on 1 set of tyres,aound 80 laps all up,soft front,medium rear,the left overs from the nats are going to be used up during the winter series where the conditions are going to be colder so times will be slower,no point in tearing up new tyres if your not going to gain from it,just have to use your head.Yes the top guys in most classes change there tyres every race(during the nats),doesnt mean everyone has to,problem is, people think to stay competitive you have to,but are they competitve to start with?

Read above.

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

**cowpoos** · 10th July 2009, 22:16

Originally Posted by Drew

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

**Deano** · 10th July 2009, 22:18

Originally Posted by cowpoos

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

Didn't you win IOMTT last year bro ? Don't be modest now.

**Drew** · 10th July 2009, 22:27

Originally Posted by cowpoos

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

You ever have a go on a wanked superbike Ryan? Or are you talking second hand knowledge here? Are you trying to tell me, that the first tyres Andrew Stroud put on his K8, were used? Or for that matter, that he left the standard tyres on it from the shop? I doubt it lots. Perhaps he rode it a couple times before the suspension was done, and the motor had ever pony wrung out of it, on road tyres. But he set it up, with whatever he intended to race on, or he aint that bright.

If not, perhaps he should have, and Bugden mightn't have beaten him again.

I can understand running road tyres at th Isle of Man...On the road

**Bren_chch** · 10th July 2009, 22:27

ok assuming i didn't have a bike... which i don't.

I would race super bike nationals on a: 05/06 Gsxr1000 or a r1, std engine, Slipon pipe and 2 sets of fairings, 1 set of rims. i'd want ohlins front and rear, and I could do a nationals on 4k worth of tires. I wouldnt be fussed where i finished.

Bike: MIGHT get one for - 11k? (cheapest)
Ohlins front and rear - 4500k???
Slipon Muffler 900 - 1100k for top of line??
2 sets of fairings - 900 (used)
Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round $600?

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

OK at the end of it i have a great bike for club racing and have learnt a huge amount from racing the national series and being with the top riders in NZ and i'm all set machine wise for maybe another national series.

Assuming i do another national series the costs would be:

Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round 600?

Total: $7,200.00

All this is not even taking in to account food and flights.

Its a rich mans game even doing it on the cheap.

So all in all you have raced a total of 12 times over 5 rounds. How many times can you race per day in the vic series?

I guess one thing with the 600's is you can sell your tires on to road riders to get some money back.

**Drew** · 10th July 2009, 22:31

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.

**Bren_chch** · 10th July 2009, 22:33

Originally Posted by Drew

Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.

Yes Drew... I know that, i highlight that fact for a reason. of which i am not sure yet!

**Deano** · 10th July 2009, 22:35

Originally Posted by Drew

Are you trying to tell me, that the first tyres Andrew Stroud put on his K8, were used? Or for that matter, that he left the standard tyres on it from the shop? I doubt it lots.

You need to HTFU bro.....

He might have ridden it home on the stock tyres though.

Actually, I doubt it lots too.

**Deano** · 10th July 2009, 22:38

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

ok assuming i didn't have a bike... which i don't.

I would race super bike nationals on a: 05/06 Gsxr1000 or a r1, std engine, Slipon pipe and 2 sets of fairings, 1 set of rims. i'd want ohlins front and rear, and I could do a nationals on 4k worth of tires. I wouldnt be fussed where i finished.

Bike: MIGHT get one for - 11k? (cheapest)
Ohlins front and rear - 4500k???
Slipon Muffler 900 - 1100k for top of line??
2 sets of fairings - 900 (used)
Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round $600?

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

OK at the end of it i have a great bike for club racing and have learnt a huge amount from racing the national series and being with the top riders in NZ and i'm all set machine wise for maybe another national series.

Assuming i do another national series the costs would be:

Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round 600?

Total: $7,200.00

All this is not even taking in to account food and flights.

Its a rich mans game even doing it on the cheap.

So all in all you have raced a total of 12 times over 5 rounds. How many times can you race per day in the vic series?

I guess one thing with the 600's is you can sell your tires on to road riders to get some money back.

The SV option is looking cheap

**Drew** · 10th July 2009, 22:38

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

Yes Drew... I know that, i highlight that fact for a reason. of which i am not sure yet!

Gotta love the "edit" function. I was gonna ask what the point was.

Originally Posted by Deano

You need to HTFU bro.....

That I do bro. I'll have new tyres next round, so my tough credit will be lower still aye.

**Chrislost** · 10th July 2009, 22:50

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

Apart from the "cost" issue would you actually want to race the Superbike class on a 1000cc bike?

Theres lots of bla bla bla about the reason being cost etc etc but if it cost the same to race the superbike class as say F3 would you?

Or are you just happy with racing F2 F3 etc etc?

If someone gave me a superbike, I would be at every event .

**johan** · 10th July 2009, 23:31

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

That's translates to about ~$260/week for a whole year.

Which is a fair amount of money for a hobby, or a competition not rendering any income/price money what so ever.

**Deano** · 10th July 2009, 23:35

Originally Posted by johan

That's translates to about ~$260/week for a whole year.

Which is a fair amount of money for a hobby, or a competition not rendering any income/price money what so ever.

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not

**Tony.OK** · 10th July 2009, 23:37

Originally Posted by Deano

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not

Lower your standards mate...............................maybe them Welly ones are high class.........................but ya get what ya pay for even in regard to that huh?

Oh too many pills tonite