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    Quote Originally Posted by marioc View Post
    There is no way a heroin user could possibly hold down any kind of job.
    Thats crazy talk,I have worked with these people.
    You guys need to do a little more research on heroin addiction.
    In saying that it would be very hard even for a heavy meth user.
    Perhaps at first for a few months but eventually you just ending up needing more and more till something gives.

    Both these drugs are too damaging to totally legalise imo.
    Its the less dangerous,such as E and maybe even Coke that should be decriminalised to some extent.
    In regards to researching addiction, I have worked in a rehab facility for numerous years. Many heroin addicts held down high paying, responsible jobs. They had so much money that they didn't spend their lives breaking into people houses to get money to support their habits. The legal issues associated with acquiring the drug was often the problem, not the drug use itself. Methadone maintenance programs have been around for years. Heroin was given to addicts in the UK for years as well.

    I worked with a lady who was literally worth billions of dollars. She had pure heroin made for her and flown to her in private jets from Italy. She used clean needles, pure smack and never had any health issues. She was an addict for over 15 years. She was a top fashion designer and a name known very well throughout the fashion industry. She chose to get clean because she wanted to have a child. She suffered no ill health effects at all, other than constipation, and the physical dependence to the heroin, which took a few weeks to overcome. Keith Richards is famously quoted as saying he's never had a problem with drugs, just the police.

    Taking away the financial issues and the legal issues of prohibition makes addiction, which is a disease, like alcohol addiction (alcoholism) treatable as a health issue, not a criminal issue. Even in the LAPD's DARE Program (Drug Abuse Resistance Education), they teach kids that using cannabis can get you arrested. Not that you will die, or use harder drugs, but that you can get arrested. They talk about making smart choices and have given up on trying to scare kids with nonsense about drug use.

    Take the morality out of it; drugs are bad, the people that use them are bad etc., and what you are left with is a huge amount of money spent on a failed system. How will we know the drug war is won? When people stop using them? It will never happen. There must be a better way to deal realistically with drug use. The article I had posted earlier in the thread says what is becoming a much more widely accepted, though politically untenable solution. No politician wants to be seen as soft on crime, which is generally fueled by the need to get money for drugs.

    Keeping people scared keeps people in line. Look at the US for a great example of that.

    Facts: LSD was legal in the US until 1968. Cannabis use was legal until 1937. Richard Nixon made the plant itself illegal in 1971. MDMA or "E" was legal and used for couples therapy until 1985. The DEA's own experts recommended that it should be legal for medicinal use and objected to its reclassification. Drugs that have been classified as illegal are done so due to their potential for abuse, not that they are bad for you physically.

    Again, the criminal justice system should be there to protect us from others, not ourselves.
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    Ok point taken but I think that is more the exception than the rule.
    Some great discussion here keep it coming.
    Makes a change from the usual drivel

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    Jeez all this serious shit.

    Shes hot.

    Thread done and dusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioc View Post
    Ok point taken but I think that is more the exception than the rule.
    Some great discussion here keep it coming.
    Makes a change from the usual drivel
    It is a good thread. Rational thought and discussion is something very uncommon in our world these days.

    I agree that is the exception, but it wouldn't be if drugs were treated just like the legal drugs in our society; tobacco and alcohol. Taxed, regulated and educate people on the real facts on their use. 50+ years ago, Dr's recommended smoking for asthma. We all realize that is not a truth any more. Just like the debunked gateway theory; smoke pot and you'll end up doing harder drugs. If that was true, there would be many more addicts than there are now.

    I would rather have an addict be able to get their medicine for a reasonable price and not have to resort to crime, e.g robbing houses, ripping off liquor stores, etc., than the way it is now. Too much morality gets involved in the drug issue. Alcohol, the culturally acceptable and legal drug of choice here, has an enormous detrimental effect on our society, but people long ago realized prohibiting didn't work. Alcohol addiction is treated as a medical/health issue. Driving drunk is treated as a criminal issue. As it should be. One is harming the person, the other is potentially harming others. That's where the line should be drawn.

    I, personally, don't want to be addicted to drugs, as it's not the way I want to live. But, I don't believe I have the right to tell others what to do to themselves. Just like I don't think people shouldn't be allowed to ride motorcycles, which we all know are dangerous. Unfortunately, some people take the morally superior attitude that they do know what is right for me and you to do and how we should live. Who gave them that fucking right over all of us? There was a time when the Church was in control. It was called the Dark Ages.

    Take it a step further and they'll say riding motorcycles should be made illegal. It's a slippery slope that gets slipperier all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    I'm still not on the same page Booze doesn't kill drunk drivers, being a retarded moron is what killed them.
    Clearly not on the same page...

    Depends how it is looked at... if it wasn't for the booze, then the crash wouldn't have happened (ie: the booze was the cause).... Being a retarded moron is also spot on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Clearly not on the same page...

    Depends how it is looked at... if it wasn't for the booze, then the crash wouldn't have happened (ie: the booze was the cause).... Being a retarded moron is also spot on...
    Typical heartless ferkin copper,cmon some of these peoples parents split up when they were young,cant ya see the big picture...........
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    Don't forget the "I wasn't breast fed as a baby" one too.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Don't forget the "I wasn't breast fed as a baby" one too.....
    Was saving that for when ya got real hard arse..........Thank fuck i dont live on your patch as ive run out of excuses for behaving like a toe rag......if things got real tough i suppose i could remember my old man pulling down my undies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Was saving that for when ya got real hard arse..........
    Millies arse looks hard... firm and taught...

    Nothin to hang on to though......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Millies arse looks hard... firm and taught...

    Nothin to hang on to though......
    Taught a few things Paul would be aghast at methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Was saving that for when ya got real hard arse..........Thank fuck i dont live on your patch as ive run out of excuses for behaving like a toe rag......if things got real tough i suppose i could remember my old man pulling down my undies.
    Aw c'mon, that will never work - we all know ya never had any undies!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Aw c'mon, that will never work - we all know ya never had any undies!!!
    Mate that is fine coming from you........still you where on the job,respect.
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    Tonight 9:30, tv1.
    Broadcaster Paul Holmes investigates the P issue through the eyes of people whose lives have been damaged by the drug, and some of those trying to fight its effects.

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    I may just record that for later watching!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwifruit View Post
    Broadcaster Paul Holmes investigates the P issue through the eyes of people whose lives have been damaged by the drug
    I wonder if that includes all the guys who had to take antibiotics after shagging his daughter?

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