'He killed girlfriend due to emotional pain', court told

**Laava** · 23rd July 2009, 12:35

Hope I don't get into trouble over this! Oh well how bad can it be? I am sure I can stab my way out of trouble!

**Winston001** · 23rd July 2009, 12:53

Originally Posted by Goblin

I too often wonder how defence lawyers can live with themselves. Perhaps that's why most of them are so overweight...the only comfort they can find in life is food. Can you imagine successfully defending a murderer or paedophile?

Understandable and the most common question asked of lawyers - how can you defend a guilty person??

The answer is that everyone is entitled to a fair defence. The only person standing between the State and an accused is their lawyer. The lawyers job is to test the prosecution case. To see if it stacks up.

For example right now, a child has admitted her allegation of being pimped by her father was a lie.

The other aspect is not to confuse the lawyer with the client. This is just one case, the lawyer will have a stack of others bubbling away in the background. So its important not to become emotionally involved in a case.

And finally - how many accused do you think ever say "I'm guilty" to their lawyer? They are always innocent.

**Winston001** · 23rd July 2009, 12:56

Originally Posted by Badjelly

I think we can all think of situations where we might have more sympathy for the accused. "I found this guy torturing and raping my 5-year old daughter so I shot him." Hmmm?

Or someone burgling your farm at night......or your best mate in bed with your wife....?? Plenty of people on KB who think using a shottie in those circumstances is fair and reasonable.....

**Goblin** · 23rd July 2009, 16:12

Originally Posted by Winston001

...And finally - how many accused do you think ever say "I'm guilty" to their lawyer? They are always innocent.

Quite a few I would think. How many lawyers tell a client they should plea not guilty when they've already said they are? "Oh but we can possibly get you off if you plea not guilty or guilty to a lesser charge."

I still believe that we dont have a justice system here. Just a court system that makes it look like something is being done, only to appease the victims and keep the cash flowing for lawyers and judges.(no offence to you Winston) Then there's the pathetic sentencing we have ....but that's another thread.

**Headbanger** · 23rd July 2009, 16:19

Originally Posted by Goblin

Quite a few I would think. How many lawyers tell a client they should plea not guilty when they've already said they are? "Oh but we can possibly get you off if you plea not guilty or guilty to a lesser charge."

yep.

My lawyer threw a 3 pronged sales pitch at me when I said lets just plead guilty and get the matter settled with one court date. He didn't shut up until I told him I was not going to pay to have him argue with me. Its all a scam to turn a $300 job into a $30000 job.

**eurodick** · 23rd July 2009, 16:29

Just shows that an education and or intelligence doesn't necessarily guarantee a balanced or full life??? I can see the new Tui Billboards... "she provoked me 216 times!!" or I stabbed her then she gurgled which she knew was a direct affront to my sensibilities so I stabbed her some more..."
I give him a month or two inside before he gets his

**Headbanger** · 23rd July 2009, 16:37

Murderer Clayton Weatherston has reportedly been moved into at-risk prison unit after a bounty was put on his head.

One of the sources said $55,000 had been offered in exchange for Weatherston's "unpleasant death" and that price was expected to reach six figures.

Fuck reporters are stupid, No one is going to pay a cent to have him killed.

**imdying** · 23rd July 2009, 16:38

Originally Posted by eurodick

Just shows that an education and or intelligence doesn't necessarily guarantee a balanced or full life??? I can see the new Tui Billboards... "she provoked me 216 times!!" or I stabbed her then she gurgled which she knew was a direct affront to my sensibilities so I stabbed her some more..."
I give him a month or two inside before he gets his

A month you say?

**oldrider** · 23rd July 2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Guilty. Happy now?

No not yet, the sentencing has yet to come, that will be "interesting" to say the least. Personally, the Judge has me worried!

**Deano** · 23rd July 2009, 18:17

Has anyone said how much he looks like Mikey off American Chopper ?

Only 60kg lighter.

**scumdog** · 23rd July 2009, 18:29

Originally Posted by Winston001

Murder = Life Imprisonment.

Only it ain't for life.....

**scumdog** · 23rd July 2009, 18:41

Let's face it, most of you are really pissed off at his 'arrogance' and the fact he stabbed a corpse 199 times.

If he had hung his head and had 'only' stabbed her ten times this thread would only be one page long.

**Winston001** · 23rd July 2009, 18:48

Originally Posted by Goblin

Quite a few I would think. How many lawyers tell a client they should plead not guilty when they've already said they are? "Oh but we can possibly get you off if you plead not guilty or guilty to a lesser charge."

Trust me, offenders rarely ever confess - they always have another story. But lets imagine you are charged with Dangerous Driving and your lawyer points out that the lesser charge of Careless Use also fits the facts. Would you honestly want your lawyer to take the police's word for the correct charge??

I still believe that we don't have a justice system here. Just a court system that makes it look like something is being done, only to appease the victims and keep the cash flowing for lawyers and judges (no offence to you Winston). Then there's the pathetic sentencing we have ....but that's another thread.

No offence

its an understandable view. The truth is, the money cases are civil proceedings - people and companies suing each other. Very few lawyers do criminal defence work. Go into any District Court and have a good look at the defendants - most of them have sod-all and certainly no money to pay lawyers. I know because it used to be normal to serve a sort of apprenticeship as a duty solicitor. Now even young lawyers won't do that.

Occasionally well-off individuals face criminal charges and can afford a criminal barrister. In order to attract that type of client, some barristers deliberately take high-profile cases on Legal Aid - not for the money but for the fame. It works for them. Its also the reason extravagant defences are argued - grabs media attention.

The Weatherston case could be a telling example.....

**peasea** · 23rd July 2009, 18:52

Originally Posted by Winston001

Understandable and the most common question asked of lawyers - how can you defend a guilty person??

One word: Money, money, money.

This made me chuckle............

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10586216

**98tls** · 23rd July 2009, 18:53

Originally Posted by scumdog

Let's face it, most of you are really pissed off at his 'arrogance' and the fact he stabbed a corpse 199 times.

If he had hung his head and had 'only' stabbed her ten times this thread would only be one page long.

Add if the victim was a fatty.