150 STREETSTOCK at WANGANUI

[steveyb]

License rule seems to indicate that a civil license is only required when the road froms part of a main highway.
So at Paeroa it seems that one is necessary, but at Wanganui not.
BUT, it is then up to the organisers to decide what level of proven (as much as a license actually does prove anything) competence they want a rider to show.
Remember that there is currently NO MNZ proof of competence.
Having 10 or however many entries in your logbook is no proof of competence to do anything except fill in a logbook and navigate your way to the circuit.
The organisers at Wanganui have made a decision and will no doubt publicise that soon enough. I think it will please most people.
I am half pleased with what I wanted to see, but I think that it should be a great show all round as long as everyone treats it in the correct manner.

Please see my earlier post about gathering the SS150 together in one place. This would do just as much good from a marketing perspective as having them racing at all.

Moto Academy NZ will be there with our bikes and riders (those who do not have family Xmas engagements) and I will be happy to manage (with help) an area for the SS150 riders.

Enjoy.

[SWERVE]

I agree steveb just having them there, displayed in a professional manner would go a long way to raising the profile. I think putting them all together in an area would be the answer.
My lad is coming even if he cant race the 150 himself. so he would be on hand to assist.

Lets hope the decision reached is the correct one and only aids the junior race scene cause.............. not hinder it.

[quallman1234]

I hear this is likely to be going ahead.

[rachprice]

I would but dont have enough races under my belt...unfortunate

[oyster]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

[Maarty]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't 150's compete at Whyndam as pert of the burt Munro?

[oyster]

There was no Streetstock (150) class at Burt Munro.
For the last two years there have been a small number of 150's at both Burt Munro and at Greymouth racing off the back of Formula 3 This has been in compliance with MNZ F3 rules, plus the riders had been confirmed as very capable, both by skill and maturity to ride in this class safely. They have also been managed and coached as a team to further ensure safety.
Naturally,having SS bikes in F3 raises some concerns, but the stewards have been happy. and certainly were consulted in these cases. They always have the right to deny entry at any time, as they can with any rider.
The only real concern has been that the 150's have mixed it with the slower half of F3 where, particulary at street meetings, some really incompetent riding by the F3 riders has occurred around the SS riders.

This same process, correctly led and managed, could occur at Wanganui in the F3 class.

[Str8 Jacket]

I hear this is likely to be going ahead.

Yep, awesome news!!

Anyone know how many 'comfirmed' entries there are for SS150's yet?

[Billy]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

Yes well said Pete.I have taken my concerns re this too Jim Tuckerman and hopefully He will put an end to it today.The Idea of showcasing 25+ young riders is a brilliant idea,But the first problem is there arent 25 streetstock riders in the North Island and anybody who claims they are getting 25 150s at their meetings up here is bullshitting (as has been claimed by a club member to Jim)and if it were too be showcased the Manfeild or Taupo rounds would be the sensible place for that to happen.In fact why not talk too Scrivvy and Chris about maybe doing a 1 hr race for them in conjunction with the NZBADD endurance race ???

[ajturbo]

Yes well said Pete.I have taken my concerns re this too Jim Tuckerman and hopefully He will put an end to it today.The Idea of showcasing 25+ young riders is a brilliant idea,But the first problem is there arent 25 streetstock riders in the North Island and anybody who claims they are getting 25 150s at their meetings up here is bullshitting (as has been claimed by a club member to Jim)and if it were too be showcased the Manfeild or Taupo rounds would be the sensible place for that to happen.In fact why not talk too Scrivvy and Chris about maybe doing a 1 hr race for them in conjunction with the NZBADD endurance race ???

hey billy and pete...

i agree with you guys.... apart from ONE thing...just a little thing..

one of our vic club sponsored riders is eligible for this race,

would he not be ready for this race after attending most of the test days and all our races?

not trying to filter down what you guys are saying.... but asking a question,
to be honest, I think he will be ready.....

[Billy]

hey billy and pete...

i agree with you guys.... apart from ONE thing...just a little thing..

one of our vic club sponsored riders is eligible for this race,

would he not be ready for this race after attending most of the test days and all our races?

not trying to filter down what you guys are saying.... but asking a question,
to be honest, I think he will be ready.....

The problem for me is not that I dont think some of the younger riders couldnt cope with it.Its more about some of the older guys that have been in the class for sometime,Coupled with some of the younger riders who havent quite grasped the severity of the situations they get themselves and everybody around them into.Because theyve done the bulk of their racing at Manfeild and Taupo theyve gotten away with some pretty dodgy moves that they wont get away with on a street circuit.As an experienced rider who has ridden in that class over the last couple of Actrix series and ridden at a whole host of street circuits,All I see is a disaster waiting to happen.In the last 2 years I have witnessed people who should know better doing dumb shit like,Letting go of the brake lever and turning the throttle back on when you outbrake them,Look directly at the rider next to them in the braking area too see when they brake and then run clean off the track,Look behind on entering a corner too see whos behind them or where they are and on it goes.Can you imagine the consequences of some of those actions through the esses or over the bridge at Wanganui when theres 25 bikes all about the same speed and lamp posts, traffic islands and air fencing all over the place???.If you have a 150 rider who you think is ready for Wanganui,Enter him in F3

[ajturbo]

THANKS billy...

this is the sort of reply i wanted....

i will be forwarding this onto the rider's dad...

this may not be what some would like.. but it is the TRUTH...

thanks again!!

AJ

[Str8 Jacket]

Hey Billy, I get where you are coming from and I do believe that there are a few people that have entered Wanganui SS150 this year that are capable. Malcolm is entering and I believe that he is more than capable along with a few others I can think of that may enter. Maybe you are right, maybe they should enter in F3 but I seriously think that it would be safer to have them all together and alone. I thnk that the organisers are serious, they have printed the entry forms with SS150 class on them.
I myself will not enter as I am in no way ready to. However people know there own limits and abilities and I think that they should be able to give it a go. It could be a mess but the most experienced super bike rider may also kill themselves in front of you. I reckon, let it happen. Even if it only happens once then at least they did it...

Just my opinion not saying that you're wrong...

[ajturbo]

Hey Billy, I get where you are coming from and I do believe that there are a few people that have entered Wanganui SS150 this year that are capable. Malcolm is entering and I believe that he is more than capable along with a few others I can think of that may enter. Maybe you are right, maybe they should enter in F3 but I seriously think that it would be safer to have them all together and alone. I thnk that the organisers are serious, they have printed the entry forms with SS150 class on them.
I myself will not enter as I am in no way ready to. However people know there own limits and abilities and I think that they should be able to give it a go. It could be a mess but the most experienced super bike rider may also kill themselves in front of you. I reckon, let it happen. Even if it only happens once then at least they did it...

Just my opinion not saying that you're wrong...

malcom is MORE than capable!!!!

[koba]

malcom is MORE than capable!!!!

I'm keen to do Wangas this year, I do have other options open to me taking the VFR in F3 or Post Classics.
I'd be keen to give the streetstock a go if they need the numbers.
It would be a great race to finish my 'apprenticeship' in.

I definatley don't think it is the place for learners but there are a reasonable ammount of streetstock riders out there that are capable plus racers that would normally be on other bikes that could come in for a bit of a play.

Even if streetstock doesn't get the green I would consider the RG in F3 over the VFR as the VFR has about twice the power and about half the handling...