Motard scarcity at VMCC. Options?

[Sonykid]

Actually Quasi, I think you will find the original post had a much wider focus than you are suggesting, Yes this is about why so few Motards are racing but also about options for change and efforts to increase the numbers.

It seems perfectly justifiable under the circumstances for those of us with BEARS bikes and nowhere to ride them competitively to have a crack at getting some track time with VMCC.

In the mean time maybe you could, along with your 8 motard buddies, sign up for some of the new motard races being held at Taupo!.

So far there are more people putting there hands up for BEARS than Motards here although I have suggested you could run Both in a BEARS class as us BEARS riders are not too fussy.

[Quasievil]

Actually Quasi, I think you will find the original post had a much wider focus than you are suggesting, Yes this is about why so few Motards are racing but also about options for change and efforts to increase the numbers.

It seems perfectly justifiable under the circumstances for those of us with BEARS bikes and nowhere to ride them competitively to have a crack at getting some track time with VMCC.

In the mean time maybe you could, along with your 8 motard buddies, sign up for some of the new motard races being held at Taupo!.

So far there are more people putting there hands up for BEARS than Motards here although I have suggested you could run Both in a BEARS class as us BEARS riders are not too fussy.

I think if you read through the posts you will notice lots of negative attitudes towards Motards, its the same kinda attitude that exists for Sidecars.
Motards are referred to in many negative ways with names like retards chook chasers etc, whilst I dont really care (sticks n bones etc) I think a bit of respect from sportsbike riders in acknowledging the other classes wouldnt go a miss (frankly speaking)

If the numbers dont go up in VMCC fine flag it, but constructive comments would be a better form for this subject matter.

[Shorty_925]

Sonny, whats wrong with signing up to the F1 or F2 classes...?

Personally speaking, it wasnt much fun racing out there, track is just too open for motards(in my opnion). My fault (undergeared), and wasnt prepeared to just sit on the rev limiter waiting for the next corner to arrive, so practiced backing it into turn one(though to limited success) in race 1, and for me tighter tracks and sliding the rear around is more fun for myself than what those faster turns are.

[steve74]

I only just noticed this thread, im not sure about the north island but in the south there are a lot of winter series motocross and enduro racing this time of year and seen as 80 percent of our motard boys race on the dirt there is no point in organising anything on the tarmac until the summer. We race Motards at our local kart track and just cant get anyone to turn up. however come labour weekend and the Greymouth street race and we have to turn them away. we had 40+ entries last year. It seems once the dirt wheels come off and the slicks go on then they have Greymouth street race, Burt Munroe, Nelson street race and a few at ruapuna and levels between october and janurary. this is when we realy see them in force down this way.

just what ive noticed anyway

[TK3]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........

[ajturbo]

FUCK ALL Me thinks,Bwahahahaha

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[ajturbo]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........

please send this to the vic club if you would like a reply...

[TK3]

please send this to the vic club if you would like a reply...

I'm answering the question that was asked at the start of the thread, sorry I'm answering for myself other riders may or may not have a different view but that is what I thought about it.

[Quasievil]

I'm answering the question that was asked at the start of the thread, sorry I'm answering for myself other riders may or may not have a different view but that is what I thought about it.

Yeah thats a good point actually TK3, respect to VMCC of course but as a constructive thing the above is correct, we also raced with the 125s as well.

I remember coming into the pits to be greeted with a black flag, the "offical" stopped us all and told us "this is a road racing event and you are not allowed to put your leg out (only motards raced) if you do it again the race will be stopped.

Shit like that and the above probably didnt inspire many to return, so perhaps a certain clarity from VMCC would be the go to boost it next year?

[slowpoke]

I'd like to race BEARS myself one day, if I can get my mitts on a suitable bike, but it's hard to argue the case for a separate BEARS race when there are already classe(s) available for BEARS bikes to race in. How would you even run it? Somebody on an old 2 valve 400 Duc with 45hp on track at the same time as a 170hp 1198 Duc....YIKES! Much better to organise dedicated BEARS events with appropriate classes, I reckon.

To my mind the problem is Manfeild just isn't a good track to race at on a motard. The best circuit would be the track extension only, but that sucks for spectators (and therefore sponsors) and they'd soon get the shits and head for the gate. Taupo long circuit is much the same I guess, with motards allergic to that back straight. Which explains why they get better numbers darnsarf as the tracks look to be a bit more motard friendly.

I dunno what the answer is. It's all very well to say we should run Post Post Classic's or BEARS but I can just see the same situation as last years Manfeild Nat's where when all was said and done, more was said than done when it actually came time to front up.

My feeling is that if someone really wants to race then they will already be racing, you won't all of a sudden get a whole lot of new people come crawling out of the woodwork dusting off old bikes if a new class is created.

Good luck Clive!

[Skunk]

Shit like that and the above probably didnt inspire many to return, so perhaps a certain clarity from VMCC would be the go to boost it next year?

Not VMCC, you need MNZ to clarify it.
VMCC runs to MNZ rules.
VMCC (or any other club) doesn't make or enforce the rules.

[Clivoris]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........

This type of feedback is exactly what I need to hear. We could do very well to be more consistent. One of the difficulties we have are that sometimes the MNZ rules are open to interpretation and unfortunately, misunderstanding and it is the steward who always has the final say on the day. I think it is understood now that motards can enter F3 if they ride foot-up style. VMCC have supplementary regs that rule motards out of other classes because that is the way we wanted it. To change this we would need to go back to MNZ and get our events re-permitted. We figure give motards their own class and try to please more people. In motard only races, leg out is perfectly legit. This is really good food for thought. Thanks.

[Billy]

Not VMCC, you need MNZ to clarify it.
VMCC runs to MNZ rules.
VMCC (or any other club) doesn't make or enforce the rules.

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????

[sinfull]

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????

Something to do with the vic club has obviously got up your nose Billy !
I have read a number of your posts and have found all to be constructive, this sort of stuff (public dissing) don't sound like you mate !

[Skunk]

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????

Billy - you should know that the wet tyre rule at Taupo has nothing to do with the Vic Club.
We do hold the Check Hement Strap board up (as well as check them ourselves).