New Production Classes Nationals....who's racing?

**johan** · 13th August 2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Are you saying I could put my posty senior into nationals at manfield round.
Would 1.15 -16s be dangerously slow?

Not in Superbike if that's what you're asking:

Production Superbike motorcycles and the Open Stock Production Cup
(a) Require an MNZ homologation no older than five years.

13 Other motorcycles that are Eligible.
In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class
upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize
money will not apply.

**k14** · 13th August 2009, 19:19

Originally Posted by SWERVE

Well i had planned on doing "Sports Production" (Privateers Cup) or maybe putting my lad on it.
But as i have just replaced the standard filter with a K&N (cos its cheaper & cleanable)

And just bought a selection of rear sprockets (in 520 pitch) cos they are cheaper and more readily available than standard 525)

Im not spending more money to go back to standard.
Two pointless rules i say.................. as almost everyone has to change a filter (for maintance reasons) and sprockets ( for optimum gearing).
So why do they have to remain standard.

So looks like the lad will be on our SV in either F3 or Pro twin if he wants to step up this season.

There is nothing stopping you putting him in supersport to race against the guys anyway. He won't get the privateer points but does that really matter in the big scheme? The experience will be worth it if he can handle the pace.

**mossy1200** · 13th August 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by johan

Not in Superbike if that's what you're asking:

Production Superbike motorcycles and the Open Stock Production Cup
(a) Require an MNZ homologation no older than five years.

13 Other motorcycles that are Eligible.
In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class
upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize
money will not apply.

Just wondering because with the airbox back on it would be stock bike.Does the 5 year still apply?
Edit ..had look and applies for both but exemptions can be granted.20years would be pushing it.
This rule must keep a few big bikes out of the system for Nationals which is a shame.

**Tony.OK** · 13th August 2009, 19:44

Have sent email to Jim at MNZ to see when the rules will be on the MNZ site, and asked if they will have any changes.

If in doubt folks............get on the blower/email and ask MNZ, they need to know people are waiting, wanting confirmation.

**scuzeme** · 13th August 2009, 20:38

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he

**Biggles08** · 13th August 2009, 21:03

Originally Posted by scuzeme

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he

wanker!

**Shaun** · 13th August 2009, 21:05

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

I hear ya.................tis only because I'm keen as mustard for it that I have been following it closely, emailing Paul Stewart and Pav, bikes already built to those rules so I'm screwed if it changes hahaa.

Receive a letter?..................I've been waiting 2 years for my rulebook haha.

BOTH CLASSES EXSIST ALREADY< BET YOUR GOD DAM BALLS ON IT!!!!! FACT FACT FACT.

Paul Stewart is /was, the man who wrote and introduced the rules before resigning, FACT! that the NEW rules for this class have already been signed off on, PROVES that is exists, FACT AGAIN.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE ( According to the constitution of MNZ Buisness structure to change those EXISTING RULES.

The only way to change any rule now, is BASED ON SAFETY ONLY, dam guys, read your rule books so you fully understand how OUR sport operates, it will save some of you ( MOST ACTUALLY) Hours of wanking on on here and going around in circles, and creatinh Caos all the time, with MIS INFO

PLEASE and SORRY for the Rant
Another FACT RE TYRES for the SS and Prod 600 class

1x Front
2X Rear For RACES

Practise and Qualify, unlimitd!!!!!!! Wets, as per the rules as they are written

Trust me, this is FACT

Now if you want to know about Crashing, Just ask me, I know how, again FACT

**Shaun** · 13th August 2009, 21:09

Originally Posted by Drew

Why the interest Shaun?

I think the winter series has shown that we're not staying home rather than race because of current economics.

And it's been a while since any class at the nats could be called a success numbers wise.

I think if it puts three more bikes on the track in the superbike races, let them have the three positions for their class.

The Interest is, it is NOW slightly cheaper to build a competitive bike, ( About $5K) and as the start of the season is getting closer, I am just trying to prime some of the club riders, to get them selves ready for the NZ Champs in a cheaper FAST Shit hot class, and also now there a few MOTOX guys watching what is going on.

YO, and stop being a bitch and trying to read my mind... Night Darling

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2009, 21:33

Shaun is right in what he also intimates, rules cannot just be changed on a whim. When people build bikes and invest in upspec components etc they need to be assured of a reasonable length of continuity of those rules.

**Tony.OK** · 13th August 2009, 21:36

Originally Posted by Shaun

BOTH CLASSES EXSIST ALREADY< BET YOUR GOD DAM BALLS ON IT!!!!! FACT FACT FACT.

Paul Stewart is /was, the man who wrote and introduced the rules before resigning, FACT! that the NEW rules for this class have already been signed off on, PROVES that is exists, FACT AGAIN.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE ( According to the constitution of MNZ Buisness structure to change those EXISTING RULES.

The only way to change any rule now, is BASED ON SAFETY ONLY, dam guys, read your rule books so you fully understand how OUR sport operates, it will save some of you ( MOST ACTUALLY) Hours of wanking on on here and going around in circles, and creatinh Caos all the time, with MIS INFO

PLEASE and SORRY for the Rant
Another FACT RE TYRES for the SS and Prod 600 class

1x Front
2X Rear For RACES

Practise and Qualify, unlimitd!!!!!!! Wets, as per the rules as they are written

Trust me, this is FACT

Now if you want to know about Crashing, Just ask me, I know how, again FACT

Before ya go off all half cocked again.................................

Question was asked about rule comfirmation and MNZ.
There is nothing on the MNZ site to say anything to confirm any rule changes FACT

As racers we are supposed to only listen to MNZ as to what to do FACT

Trouble is to learn anything we the riders need to know we end up getting most of the info 2nd hand because its not readily available from the source FACT

That is why I have followed with interest and been in contact with Paul S and MNZ about it......................................my rants nearly over too.................point being that it shouldn't be as hard as it is to find anything out about OUR own sport

**johan** · 13th August 2009, 21:37

Originally Posted by scuzeme

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?

**Tony.OK** · 13th August 2009, 21:41

Originally Posted by johan

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?

Susp is same as SBK for the Open Stock class, BUT don't think "S" or "R" models are allowed.

**k14** · 13th August 2009, 21:41

Originally Posted by johan

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?

Well the duke isn't allowed because it is over capacity, but the rules also specifically exclude "R" spec bikes. So any bike that is released in special guise will most likely not be allowed to race. I can't think of any in recent times that have been released or of anyone that has tried it on. I think you would place your fate in the hands of the steward when you got protested if you showed up with one.

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2009, 21:42

Originally Posted by scuzeme

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he

The reality is that many bikes have that brand of suspension as oem. But if your 1098 Ohlins suspension is all stock it needs help. The forks blow through their stroke too readily and the rear doesnt work so well on account of Ducati changing the rear link ratio just before first production and not bothering to change the shock valving to match the new motion ratio imparted to it. The bones of the suspension are really good but Ducati dropped the ball with settings, much to the bemusement of the technicians at Ohlins.
Go and see Pat at Motomart, I have recently trained him in the upspec available and installation for both ends of that bike, it transforms it. He is the only person in Wellington / lower North Island area accredited to do this and also the only guy there privy to all the latest Ohlins updates. He is a modest guy totally devoid of BS and has been servicing suspension for nigh on 30 years, no-one else in the area can match his experience.

**Robert Taylor** · 13th August 2009, 21:45

Originally Posted by k14

Well the duke isn't allowed because it is over capacity, but the rules also specifically exclude "R" spec bikes. So any bike that is released in special guise will most likely not be allowed to race. I can't think of any in recent times that have been released or of anyone that has tried it on. I think you would place your fate in the hands of the steward when you got protested if you showed up with one.

The fields would forseeably be a little bigger if 'R' spec bikes were allowed. That would be no bad thing to see well ridden Italian bikes mixing it up.