actually...no.
I was on one side of the fence for many years with timebomb rotaries all the way up to turbo and nitrous oxide fed hondas.
Now I'm onto sport bikes.
Here is the difference. Feel free to deny it but back it with fact as I can provide facts, photos and videos of all the crpa that was the norm in the Wellington boyracer heyday. I helped set some of it up. Nowadays its a monster that needs to be put down and started again from scratch perhaps.
When the average group of car enthusiasts gather, its at night, its from 10on onward, it involves passengers and peer pressure.
When the average bike groups gather, its daylight, its one person per bike or a wife etc on the back [and results in less random behaviour due to lectures from the backseater], no alcohol is involved, least not on the raodside or carpark, as who can balance pissed?? Less peer pressure as its hard to talk inside a helmet while moving.
The publics no.1 issue is the night gatherings. Why do the bike groups meet in the day? Because they go for a ride, not round town, that would be gay - seriously gay. They go for a decent ride, even a fang round the twisties, which would inevitably involve speed and daring and risk.
The car guys and girls go for a drive round a 2km area, if that.... again and again and again. In the old days the madmen in there commodores, rotaries, Toranas and Angleboxes used to head out into the hills and muck round. Thats how it was never as big an issue and was tolerated to a POINT. Nowadays the car crowd seems addicted to having everyone look at them { I was at one stage until I saw a video and saw how gay it all was} in town passed the bars etc. WTF? Why aren't you IN the bars partying up with the SINGLE girls and nhot the pitliziards skanking round the toys?? And why aren't you using your cars on longer runs out in the hills where their handling and accessories mean something, and in daylight where all the paint and shine can actually be seen?
Simple... the average car ISN'T the sum of all its parts, its less, handles like shit and goes even worse. The average driver of these cars ISN'T so good at speed with a turn coming and the Average Driver has something to hide. Illegal or dodgey Mods, loud car, Restricted licence etc. Driving for drivings sake used to be what it was about... who could do the Vinegar hill run the fastest, who's car could monster the Rimutakas... we soon got good then hit the trackdays and got bored of the roads.
Now they are too scared there cars arent up to it and wont hit the track for fear of laughter and ridacule... time for some new friends then.
We see it all the time with manfeild opendays... Max attendance for the bikers, but a ton of cars parked in the carpark and the owners watching, not joining in, then hitting the street drags that night. Gay
When you car guys realise how much fun a car should be to drive, even round corners, and how much you can learn from trackdays and club racing, you'll move away from night gatherings and start returning to driving you damn cars, not leaning on them, and not pissing everyone off at 1am.
Give me shit if you will, but I'm still involved with both the D1NZ and the NZDRIFT Drifting Series and the local Toyspeed/Honda group in Palmy and they NEVER criuse at night. They all race and build and race trackdays some more. The drift guys are the same and they are WAY dodgier!
Long rant but this whole "boy racers are misunderstood" shit is old. They are misunderstood... but not by us, they themselves don't understand what they are doing anymore. And more importantly, why.
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Originally Posted by reofix
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