Scooterazzi Easter Challenge - Advance Warning!

[all4A50s]

Yeah you just need to send a membership form from www.vicclub.co.nz to them along with $35 for a years membership.

Why the need for this as we didn't have to last time? And what about having a day licence option, like they have at Taupo?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Why the need? Well accidents can happen (just imagine if you had a collision with someone when you ended up on the wrong side of the track on sunday) and if they are serious, OSH will get involved and who ever is organising it (Skunk) will end up in the deep end, not the riders. To protect his arse, if you run a MNZ permit with a MNZ steward, it is MNZ's responsibility to provide liability insurance (Which pays for any lawyers fees if is things turn to shit)

Skunk is running day licences and he is running them free of charge if you become a member of the Victoria Motorcycle Club for the meeting (Although you can become a member of any club, but then you'll also have to pay a $15 day licence fee.)

You can't get (well, you shouldn't be able to) get a day licence without a MNZ affiliated club membership.

[Str8 Jacket]

I do see where George is coming from. That $35 is just another expense for those that are only joining Vic Club just to enter a 2 day race and never use their membership again that year...

[Sketchy_Racer]

I do see where George is coming from. That $35 is just another expense for those that are only joining Vic Club just to enter a 2 day race and never use their membership again that year...

Yes your right Hels, I did mention that people wouldn't be keen on the idea to Skunk when he suggested it, but would you want to take the risk of a major OSH lawsuit against YOU if something went bad? Something like that could devastate someone's life if you were not financially covered.

The other thing to remember is that Welly buckets are the only group who have NOT being using MNZ affiliation until this event. 90% of people coming out of town are likely to have a MNZ licence as they have to have it for their meetings and I would say that 50% of people down here will have them to.

Frankly, it is a case if that you want to come to a 2 day awesome easter meeting on arguably one of the best bucket tracks in NZ, you need harden up and accept that it will cost an extra $35 which really is not a huge investment.

[Str8 Jacket]

Yep, I see both sides of the argument. It doesn't effect me either way as I have a race licence and club membership but I have to admit that one of the things I did enjoy about Welly buckets was the way it was not affiliated with MNZ and all the baggage it brings with it...

Either way its going to be a great weekend and I will be there. Here's hoping that the Welly people do actually 'suck it up' and come along!

[fi5hy]

Yep, I see both sides of the argument. It doesn't effect me either way as I have a race licence and club membership but I have to admit that one of the things I did enjoy about Welly buckets was the way it was not affiliated with MNZ and all the baggage it brings with it...

This is why we are still running buckets in Wellington (no add on bullshit that does nothing for our sport what so ever) most of us are not a member of a club or hold a race licence for the same reason. In the past when we run events the only time we had liability insurance was for the street races we done and that was only if someone parked their bike on some old Lady's roses. With a track like Kaitoke you can run a disclaimer on the entry from the same as everyone else has that would cover your ass just as well.

[Trudes]

My understanding is that with things like this, the onus is on the organiser if anything goes wrong, so this would be the easiest (and cheapest) way for the organiser (Skunk) to cover his (and our) arses should anything happen. At the end of the day, this is for our enjoyment and one person shouldn't have to pick up the cost of liability insurance etc, so if it's in some way shared amongst us, the riders, then that sounds fair. Like Sketchy says, Welly is probably the only place that doesn't run MNZ meets, which is cool, but for this event where we want to attract out of towners (who will most probably be a member of a club/and or have a race licence anyway) and where we will be running the day not the Kart club where we would normally fall under their liability, I think we could suck it up for this. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It is an extra cost, but it's still cheap fun really and like most things these days, it's user pays and if you can't afford it then for you.... plenty of time to save your $$ for it.

[Skunk]

Why the need for this as we didn't have to last time? And what about having a day licence option, like they have at Taupo?

The day licence option at Taupo requires you to be a member of a Club as well... It's an MNZ permit event.

I'm covering my arse. Two days racing for $115. I thought that was a good deal. My bad and tough shit.

[nudemetalz]

So when we run the bucket-only one-dayers at Kaitoke, then this should also apply? I'm beginning to think so.

[quallman1234]

So when we run the bucket-only one-dayers at Kaitoke, then this should also apply? I'm beginning to think so.

I'd say we would be heading that way, and fair enough too.

[Skunk]

So when we run the bucket-only one-dayers at Kaitoke, then this should also apply? I'm beginning to think so.

That's up to whoever organises it. I'm not taking the risk for the Easter Challenge. Roy's Hill, Taupo, Christchurch etc all need Club membership and a 'one event' licence.

[ajturbo]

i am a member of the vic club AND have a full race licence... i have ONLY raced at the slipway and kaitoke ONCE in the last year....

it just means that i can race anywhere i choose....

[Geriatric]

Hi, Adrian here. Just wanted to say that I fully support Skunk on this one. I'm sure the last thing he wants is to impose extra costs on any one, but we need the indemnity.

Some of you might remember a women in Christchurch a few years ago who organised a cycling event and was unfairly prosecuted following a fatality in the event. By the time she won on appeal she had lost her house and had two years of hell.

I know some will struggle with the cost but can't see a way round it.

[hmurphy]

Totally fair amount to pay and HUGE warning in advance for us all to get sorted for it. It is a LOT of track time at a high quality track and a really good bunch of people to have a laugh with.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hi, Adrian here. Just wanted to say that I fully support Skunk on this one. I'm sure the last thing he wants is to impose extra costs on any one, but we need the indemnity.

Some of you might remember a women in Christchurch a few years ago who organised a cycling event and was unfairly prosecuted following a fatality in the event. By the time she won on appeal she had lost her house and had two years of hell.

I know some will struggle with the cost but can't see a way round it.

This is exactly the sort of situation that Andrew is backing himself against.

And Fishy, it's all good and well if you sign your life away on a disclaimer paper, but if you die or get seriously injured out there, OSH (or what ever it's called) will hunt someone's arse regardless of any paper work that has been put in place. The arse they will hunt is the organisers.

OSH is a bunch of bullshit that wont let people take personal responsibility, and will do their best to rape some money out of someone if it goes bad.