Sue Bradford - our first political assassination?

**Winston001** · 3rd September 2009, 13:33

Originally Posted by MisterD

What pisses me off (and I'd say most of those that voted "no") is that yet again it's the law-abiding majority that are being bashed.

The main fear drummed up over S.59 is that good law-abiding parents will suddenly find themselves in front of a judge for smacking their child. And yet, we were given no real life examples of this actually happening by the referendum supporters. Nil.

The No voters have been the victims of spin. One easy proof is the word "smack" does not appear anywhere in the law - ergo there is no anti-smacking legislation. Its just media spin.

Actually there are various obscure laws which are unenforced but "potentially" could place you before a judge. Consider the following:

Crimes Act Section 123 Blasphemous libel

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(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 1 year who publishes any blasphemous libel.

(2) Whether any particular published matter is or is not a blasphemous libel is a question of fact.

(3) It is not an offence against this section to express in good faith and in decent language, or to attempt to establish by arguments used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, any opinion whatever on any religious subject.

(4) No one shall be prosecuted for an offence against this section without the leave of the Attorney-General, who before giving leave may make such inquiries as he thinks fit.

And now have a look at the Scottish Thread in PD. Plenty of blasphemy going on there........

**Flatcap** · 3rd September 2009, 14:00

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Efficiency brought you McDonalds.

Quality anything (including people) takes time to develop.

So kids are like cheese then?

**Dave Lobster** · 3rd September 2009, 14:06

Originally Posted by Flatcap

So kids are like cheese then?

You're not allowed to eat them once they've matured, though.

That's pit bulls..

**idb** · 3rd September 2009, 14:07

Originally Posted by Flatcap

So kids are like cheese then?

Or Kodachrome

**Marmoot** · 3rd September 2009, 14:08

Blind bats keep arguing over the smacking definition, not realising the issue is about the legislation process, government interference into uncharted territory, social engineering, and how the democratically elected government is ignoring the thoughts of not a small portion of the people.

I guess bringing a torch to the blinds would still not make them see, so I give up.

Keep telling the police to "ignore some crime".

And in the mean time, ponder this:
'I asked for help but instead got conviction'
Children outsmart law on smacking

The only reason the $9M referendum cost was a waste of money is because the results are ignored.

And I don't know what to call an MP that decides 1million of the very people she represents as stupid.

**Dave Lobster** · 3rd September 2009, 14:13

Originally Posted by Marmoot

And I don't know what to call an MP that decides 1 million of the very people she represents are stupid.

Prime Minister?

**Hinny** · 3rd September 2009, 15:12

Originally Posted by Marmoot

One or two generations is too much for social experimentation. Hell, even one person is too much for the government to commit social experimentation.

... for the government to start meddling with our internal live opens up a gate to untold precedent. Ponder this: now we allow the government to start controlling our way of diciplining the children. What next? In the name of good intention, they can start controlling what we can and cannot feed to the children and by how much.

Common sense being made into law? Is that common sense or nonsense?

And to murky the water even more, the law actually prohibit smacking in ANY situation.

...they are effectively telling the police to "ignore some crimes because it is too small". Is THIS what you want from your law? Is it?

Additionally, the precedent for the house of Elected Representatives to ignore the thoughts of 1 million people who elected them is abhorrent. Democracy effectively died. And I am not just talking about this government, but also the government before them.

Your idea of the role of Govt. is a little off skew.
Govts. are there to give us what we need...not what we want.
Social engineering is a major part of this role if not the total.

They already control what you can and cannot feed to your children.

Prohibit smacking in any situation? I suggest you read the law.

The Police already ignore some crimes as they are too small. Think about it. That is common sense.

Democracy didn't die. Stop being so melodramatic. Govt's should not be controlled by the people. It is not a case of "we pay your wages so do what we want" How petulant can you be? They are not our servants.

Politicians are there as our representatives to do stuff for our good.
They are there to make us better off.
The fact that somebody other than you or I are doing that is generally because we are incapable for some reason.

**Marmoot** · 3rd September 2009, 15:53

A totalitarian nanny state.
You're a genius.

I'm just glad you're not an MP.

**short-circuit** · 3rd September 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by Marmoot

A totalitarian nanny state.
You're a genius.

I'm just glad you're not an MP.

I sit on the other side of the politcial spectrum from Paul Henry, but I've been in here long enough to agree with him on one thing.... people here appear to be too stupid to be trusted with "Democracy" (not that it really exists in a true form anyway)

**James Deuce** · 3rd September 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by Winston001

And now have a look at the Scottish Thread in PD. Plenty of blasphemy going on there........

Not enough in my opinion. Some people need to try a bit harder or I'll be reviewing my ratings.

**James Deuce** · 3rd September 2009, 17:41

Originally Posted by Hinny

The Police already ignore some crimes as they are too small. Think about it. That is common sense.

Yes burglary, rape, and vandalism all get routinely ignored. They're all fixed up by insurance or the health system any way.

**Marmoot** · 3rd September 2009, 18:52

Originally Posted by short-circuit

I sit on the other side of the politcial spectrum from Paul Henry, but I've been in here long enough to agree with him on one thing.... people here appear to be too stupid to be trusted with "Democracy" (not that it really exists in a true form anyway)

That's what Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, Karl Marx and Bokasa said.

**MisterD** · 3rd September 2009, 20:31

Originally Posted by Winston001

The main fear drummed up over S.59 is that good law-abiding parents will suddenly find themselves in front of a judge for smacking their child. And yet, we were given no real life examples of this actually happening by the referendum supporters. Nil.

Judges are reasonable people...the CYFS stormtroopers on the other hand...