86km in a 100km zone = speeding ticket?

**kunoichi** · 5th September 2009, 22:15

i don't suppose it'll cost me anything to make an appeal, other than more time to round up the money i need if it isn't written off. Besides i drive a car and ride a bike, and in almost 5 years worth of being on the road have never been fined. Perhaps that will help. I'm not an aggressive cager or rider.

**BIG DOUG** · 5th September 2009, 22:15

will I got two speeding tickets yesterday in the work van,one for doing 118km in a double passing lane as I passed two vechicles ,and the cop was a prick as I explained about the guy on the inside who had speed up but he said you are only allowed to do 110km when you are passing I said more people would be killed if this was the case and I just looked at the road code no mention of this there hmm might have to go to court to clear this up and I agree ditch the plate just say it fell off.

**mowgli** · 5th September 2009, 22:20

Originally Posted by sleemanj

What do you have to lose by trying though. Nothing. And it has every chance of if not success then to bringing the issue to the forefront.

Okay, so kunoichi can spend the next couple of months consumed by this issue, appear in court and ultimately pay the fine plus court costs, or she can pay the fine and spend her time more productively considering her next bike. I know what I'd choose.

**pzkpfw** · 5th September 2009, 22:22

The point of the law, I think, is that you just shouldn't go in a place that requires 100 km/h. You are expected to get more experience (and the next stage of the license) before going into that 100 km/h zone.

It's not (meant to be) about dangerously forcing you to be in a 100 km/h zone and holding up traffic by doing 70 km/h.

To be blunt: Tough luck.

When I was on an "L" plate, I went from Tawa to Wellington CBD "the back way" - the back road to J'Ville (which is now a 70 km/h zone anyway) and then through the speed limited streets of J'Ville to Ngaio to Kaiwharawhara etc ...

Sure it sucked, but that was my tough luck for not having a full license. If I didn't like it, I could have taken a train.

Sorry, but what would be the grounds for appeal for this ticket?

**kunoichi** · 5th September 2009, 22:22

yeah i must say that if we just accepted law without question whe wouldn't of made the advancements we have made and hopefully continue to make. u should appeal for everything. I got a message from the justice department saying i had 3 parking fines over due and they were adding another 100 bux to each because i am far overdue in paying them. I went in there and explained i never got the mail, they checked my email address and realised they had the wrong one! So there, the justice department isn't flawless! i still have 2 parking fines that was my fault, but knocking off over 300 bux was definatly worth a trip to the department.

**vindy500** · 5th September 2009, 22:24

boo hoo you broke a law you knew about, and got pinged, why the thread

**sleemanj** · 5th September 2009, 22:26

Originally Posted by mowgli

Okay, so kunoichi can spend the next couple of months consumed by this issue, appear in court and ultimately pay the fine plus court costs, or she can pay the fine and spend her time more productively considering her next bike. I know what I'd choose.

Who said anything about court. Write a letter, politely and logically laying out the reasons for the objection to the ticket. If they accept the reason, awesome, if they don't, pay the ticket - she'd at least registered her objection.

You don't get pulled to court just because you voice an objection.

**mowgli** · 5th September 2009, 22:30

Please clarify whether you were stung with exceeding the limit by 15-20km ($120) or breach of licence conditions ($400). If it's the first then the ticket is effectively void. Trouble is if you challenge it you'll probably get hit with the second one in the mail.

**kunoichi** · 5th September 2009, 22:35

He said the ticket would be mailed to me. I don't know the cost just yet, i just wanted to get home. Anyways, this is turning into the typical sarcastic, none-too helpful typa thread from the majority of Kber's. I just wanted some different perspectives about what i should do and what my options are (being completely new to this). Thanks to everyone that gave some useful advice rather than just wasting away a saturday night with bitter sarcasm at the expence of others.

**mowgli** · 5th September 2009, 22:44

Originally Posted by sleemanj

Who said anything about court. Write a letter, politely and logically laying out the reasons for the objection to the ticket. If they accept the reason, awesome, if they don't, pay the ticket - she'd at least registered her objection.

You don't get pulled to court just because you voice an objection.

So you'd advocate objecting on principle alone? I wouldn't bother unless I was prepared to go to court. In this case a law was clearly broken and IMO court would be a waste of time. I'd take the hit and move on.

**Jantar** · 5th September 2009, 22:46

Originally Posted by kunoichi

He said the ticket would be mailed to me. ....

In that case do not assume that you ARE going to get a ticket. Chances are that he has stopped you, frightened you, and his job is done. There is a high probability that if that was your only offence then you won't get a ticket. Not all cops are pricks, just those in Rodney, Nelson district and Central Otago.

**muppitt** · 5th September 2009, 22:47

snap off L plate. if you get pulled itmust have just happen orifis, i must get a new one right away

**boomer** · 5th September 2009, 22:55

Originally Posted by sleemanj

Laws are not absolute, nor are they infallible, laws need to be examined and tested. If everybody just sat and did what the law said and never bothered to argue it, then we would quickly wind up in some police state situation where you never question anything.

This particular law is WIDELY recognised to be a bad one (by organisations that matter), and the ONLY reason it's still around is because no politician has got around to finishing the job of removing it. Appealing this ticket is ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

If this young lady was exceeding the REAL speed limit (100k) you'd have a point, but she wasn't she was 15k's UNDER it.

in that case im about to register a new company !!!

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care to be my first customer?

**kunoichi** · 5th September 2009, 22:59

Originally Posted by Jantar

In that case do not assume that you ARE going to get a ticket. Chances are that he has stopped you, frightened you, and his job is done.

Well i hope u'r right on that one! he didn't come off as a prick to me, other than the fact he pulled me over in the first place. It's time to play the waiting game i guess.