86km in a 100km zone = speeding ticket?

[CM2005]

Ditch the L plate asap

[imdying]

I really feel this is at the very CORE of the disagreement here and elsewhere.

Naw, the disagreement here is some people think that people should be able to think for themselves, and take from the 70km/hr limit that they shouldn't be riding in 70km/hr zones, and the other group (or rather don't/can't/won't for themselves) think that the law should spell out everything in minute detail for them.

You advocate thinking for yourself, and they advocate the nanny state... pretty simple really.

[MSTRS:Me]

Actually I'd like to start a new thread about the licencing laws.

We have this one... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=75488
And this one... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=102470
And this one... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=89948

But with the talk of a total revamp going before Parliament at some stage, including changing to the Oz type of HP rating, is there much point?

[imdying]

Are you suggesting that the first time a learner rides at 100kph, it should be done during their restricted test?

Why not? If they can't manage it, are you suggesting they should be given a restricted license in any case?

[MSTRS:Me]

Why not? If they can't manage it, are you suggesting they should be given a restricted license in any case?

The problem is that a licence stage is there to allow you to practice. Whilst you are riding. If you are not allowed to practice the higher speed, then it is unfair to test you on it. Eh?

[FROSTY:Me]

Bollocks!

My partner recently sat her restricted and was told to ignore the 70kph rule by the testing officer and ride at 100kph . The road code tells you that you'll be tested on the open road for your restricted.

Are you suggesting that the first time a learner rides at 100kph, it should be done during their restricted test?

Real good law!

I'm saying that a person with NO riding skills --NONE ZERO NADA should not b allowed to ride in situations that they are incapable of dealing with in an emergency situation.
Its about developing the skill to a level where you are capable of dealing with these situations.
Ok much as I HATE statistics (the gubinment loves twisating em)
Why is it that you are at highest risk of accident as a learner rider?
BY risk m saying statisticly speaking the greatest numbers of DEATHS and injuries are occurring amongst those in their first 12 months of riding.
You are advocating a change to the law that indeed supports personal freedom-- HOORAHH
Yep lets change the law so a rider with the lil slip of paper can go out on the motorways. Fantastic idea
Doncha gettit??. If they are allowed to by law --they WILL
Answer this honestly dude. Would you be happy for your partner to tackle rushhour traffic at night in the rain ??
Change the law to 100km/h and she will be legally allowed to do this therefore a percentage of riders WILL do this.
Currently there is a "fear factor" of getting caught.keeping things in check a little.
THen they blame everybody else but themselves or worse theyre dead .
Now to answer your question -
I'm gobsmacked that a testing officer would advocate a rider riding at a speed they have NEVER been able to legally ride at. Quite simply put restricted testing needs to demostrate that the L plater has taken the chance to learn the ride skills to ride at or up to 70km/h. Put another way. If a traffic cop was following behind and pulled you over on your restricted test would you or wouldn't you be in breach of licence at 100km/h??--of course you would. So any testing officer advocating you doing so is advocating you breaking the law.
Ill go further and suggest that THEY by the responsibility laid on them to ensure you have learned sufficient to move to the next stage of licencing should penalised for doiung so.
Once they have a restricted licence THEN they have the chance to move to higher speeds and learn the extra skill required to deal with this. Notice I said LEARN.
Its about building on the skills you have developed.constant improvement over 12 months or so.

[marty]

Actually I'd like to start a new thread about the licencing laws.

dare you to

[FROSTY:Me]

ACTUALLY-- I just called the cops to discuss this.
Just to clarify.
if a person WITH a learner licence exeeds 70km/h at ANY time they are breaking the law.
This is regardless of what they are doing at the time.
If they are failed their restricted licence when the ONLY grounds for doing so is for sticking to that 70km/h limit in a 80 or 100km/h zone then they have a case to present to the LTSA so that the TESTING OFFICER can be instructed as to what the law is.
The falure is on the part of the testing officer.
He or she should have a test route organised that allows you to ride at the speed you are legally allowed to
Indeed I'll go so far as to say they should have the officers decision reviewed and reversed.
The moment you have a restricted then 100km/h is all good.

That said--- again if pulled over whilst sitting their test the RIDER would be the one given a ticket even if instructed by a testing officer to exheed their personal speed limit.

[MSTRS:Me]

ACTUALLY-- I just called the cops to discuss this.
Just to clarify.
if a person WITH a learner licence exeeds 70km/h at ANY time they are breaking the law.
This is regardless of what they are doing at the time.
If they are failed their restricted licence when the ONLY grounds for doing so is for sticking to that 70km/h limit in a 80 or 100km/h zone then they have a case to present to the LTSA so that the TESTING OFFICER can be instructed as to what the law is.

Hmmm. That's interesting. Did that exercise down these parts when the young fella was going through the system. We were told that the testing officer's instructions were to be followed, including exceeding 70kph. It was not a breach that would be prosecuted.
How do you respect a(ny) law when different cops tell you different things?

[FROSTY:Me]

Hmmm. That's interesting. Did that exercise down these parts when the young fella was going through the system. We were told that the testing officer's instructions were to be followed, including exceeding 70kph. It was not a breach that would be prosecuted.
How do you respect a(ny) law when different cops tell you different things?

I went as high up the chain of command as I could without raising alarm.
It isn't a grey area it is indeed black and white.

[Neon]

LTSA claim that you are permitted to exceed the 70km/h limit during the restricted test (See link here near bottom of page)

"Part 3

This section is conducted in higher-speed areas of 70–100 km/h* and assesses your ability to safely and legally control your vehicle in these situations:

riding straight
riding straight on a multi-lane road or around a curve (left or right)
entering traffic flow or merging onto a motorway.
* Even though the conditions of your learner licence don’t allow you to ride at speeds above 70 km/h, you are permitted to do so during part 3 of this test."

[SMOKEU]

Well i am aren't I!? I'm paying the bloody ticket! This thread has developed beyond my ticket into a discussion of the actual law! No need to bloody well yell at me about being irrisponsible if i'm paying the bloody ticket!

Don't pay the fine anytime soon. Wait for it to drag through the court system to screw the government around. They did it to you for no justifiable reason, so why not return the favour?

[MSTRS:Me]

Don't pay the fine anytime soon. Wait for it to drag through the court system to screw the government around. They did it to you for no justifiable reason, so why not return the favour?

The law exists, so it's quite justifiable. Whether it's right/wrong is another matter altogether.
Marty, the post above spells it out...not everything is in the 'policeman's little black book'

[SixPackBack]

Don't pay the fine anytime soon. Wait for it to drag through the court system to screw the government around. They did it to you for no justifiable reason, so why not return the favour?

Excellent advice, if every recipient of a minor traffic infringement followed this gem of civil disobedience the gubermints efforts at tax collection would come to a grinding halt. And rightly so.

[oldrider]

With stupid laws like this one and they wonder why people disrespect the law!

This should have been the first road law amended this time round but Nooooo!

They should make the author of that law ride a bike at 70kph from North Cape to the Bluff and back, as a reward for such safety concious thinking!