Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[kunoichi]

just turn up to one of the track days he's attending. Time him urself, compare him with other riders. Its up to you really, point is it's all for nothing if you don't see it with your own eyes. And if Chaos has been BS all along, then you'll see it for yourself on the day.

[ajturbo]

but i love reading all his "BS".... make me laugh ... then you guys go on about it making me laugh even more...

so i truly hope none of you do see him...

cause it is funny shit....
lol

[mossy1200]

I now believe that chaos is the king of the trolls.

There is no other possible explanation.

Nada.

You might be correct because if Chaos was real and he could sniff tune a hyosung to 36hp then they would have kidnaped him and he would be smelling tailpipes in the factory for the rest of time.

[gatch]

Time him urself

No offence ma'am, but I'd rather not, especially as its a big trip for me..

I've no doubt that the fullas skills will improve with time and guidance, but no, at this time, mr Chaos is not as fast as he says, no the hyo does not do over 170 and in reality there is not a chance that in a straight line under full acceleration would it smoke a cbr400, or a 4 cyl 250.

Physics just says no, the stats say no, fuck me common sense says no.

I don't know how plainly I can put it.

[mossy1200]

just turn up to one of the track days he's attending. Time him urself, compare him with other riders. Its up to you really, point is it's all for nothing if you don't see it with your own eyes. And if Chaos has been BS all along, then you'll see it for yourself on the day.

How can we compare him at track days and with who do we make that comparison cause a-no one is racing , b-is he in the race class or novice or medium or fast?,c is there race riders on streetstock bikes to compare with(not road bikes).

We need race results from Chaos.Now is not the time to make bold claims.Now is the time to get some practice in before that first race.
When is the first RACE and where.Open days mean nothing.I go to them and run slow laps just to practice one corner at a time so lap times are not race pace.

[chaos rider]

im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there

[DarkLord]

[RDjase]

Im not going out to get a race licence just to show you up. track day at puke or taupo your choice.

Also indicated on the hyosung website, the gtr250 produces 28.2hp at 10,000rpm, also they are korean horses with shorter legs.
where did you get 32 from. something your dad told you?????

Most clubs have day licences available, $20-$25 ish. enter the AMCC race day, is that the one you are entering chaos? Have you got a MNZ race license chaos? or getting a day license? I will come up to watch this (from HB) . Do AMCC events use transponders so we can go onto Mylaps and see all the lap times?

IS THE BATTLE OF THE 250s ON?

[mossy1200]

im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there

rental,compared,legal,whether... You should try to improve spelling for your own sake(not ours)because it will help you later in life.


hp does dictate top speed and tractionable force dictates acceleration which is a combination of torque and hp which needs to be offset against resistances(drag,weight etc).Its more complex than direct comparison of stats but they give a good idea.
When I had my zx12r it said it did over 310 on clock but average flying quarter mile speed was 286.My bonneville indicated 225 and average speed was 197.Each bike has an element of bollocks put in the speedo to keep you below the speed limit and make you feel good.The slower the bike the higher the level of bollocks.
What I do like about the bike stats is 125kg dry weight(2007 model).Should be a corner killer.Knee down is not the be all but weight transfer on your seat is a good start.The rear tyre looks to fat for that rim and the profile is wrong so pick the correct width and profile when replacing it.It doesnt matter what size they spec that tyre is not correct.That will also gear you down a little which will be more important than the 5kphr you loose.
If it hits 140clicks on the track that will be plenty.Corner exit and smooth riding and mid corner speed is a lot more important than conceeding 5-10 metres on the straights.

BE PREPARED TO BE SURPRISED AT HOW FAST THE GUYS YOU RACE WILL BE.
THEY WONT BE MONKEYS AND THEY WILL TAKE YOU AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN AND BUMPING OCCURS.
I think you underestimate the ability of everyone else.They all want to win just like you.............

When the lights go out dont go soft but dont go so hard you crash cause it costs dollars and can hurt.Better to learn and survive and get better than get sick of the sport before you get good at it.
You dont really need to prove yourself to us but to yourself.Improvement is satisfaction.Breaking personal bests is improvement.
Just enjoy it dont turn it into a task.Your hyosung doesnt need to be the fastest bike for you to have the most fun.
IT IS WHAT IS."A FUN ZIPPY WE BIKE" and it will get you started until you decide how wide you want to open your wallet later.
These classes (streetstock etc)are designed to get you an entry level training class to build into faster bikes.You dont have to beat better bikes to be the best rider when the bikes are not equally matched.

[chaos rider]

Most clubs have day licences available, $20-$25 ish. enter the AMCC race day, is that the one you are entering chaos? Have you got a MNZ race license chaos? or getting a day license? I will come up to watch this (from HB) . Do AMCC events use transponders so we can go onto Mylaps and see all the lap times?

IS THE BATTLE OF THE 250s ON?

yes its the amcc pectra insurance round one and im aplying for my license as we speak not sure about the timers. i want one but they are really expensive 200+ just for the timer and 2 reciever nodes, transmitters are another 200+

rental,compared,legal,whether... You should try to improve spelling for your own sake(not ours)because it will help you later in life.


hp does dictate top speed and tractionable force dictates acceleration which is a combination of torque and hp which needs to be offset against resistances(drag,weight etc).Its more complex than direct comparison of stats but they give a good idea.
When I had my zx12r it said it did over 310 on clock but average flying quarter mile speed was 286.My bonneville indicated 225 and average speed was 197.Each bike has an element of bollocks put in the speedo to keep you below the speed limit and make you feel good.The slower the bike the higher the level of bollocks.
What I do like about the bike stats is 125kg dry weight(2007 model).Should be a corner killer.Knee down is not the be all but weight transfer on your seat is a good start.The rear tyre looks to fat for that rim and the profile is wrong so pick the correct width and profile when replacing it.That will gear you down a little which will be more important than the 5kphr you loose.
If it hits 140clicks on the track that will be plenty.Corner exit and smooth riding and mid corner speed is a lot more important than conceeding 5-10 metres on the straights.

BE PREPARED TO BE SURPRISED AT HOW FAST THE GUYS YOU RACE WILL BE.
THEY WONT BE MONKEYS AND THEY WILL TAKE YOU AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN AND BUMPING OCCURS.
I think you underestimate the ability of everyone else.They all want to win just like you.............

yes but saying the gpx dose 170 is as bad as me saying i can do 200 have you seen the exhausts on them their like <----------------> yay big ,inch or less. plus konoichi has one and we both went for it, and she tapped at 168 by my clock and i got up to 178 so i fail to see them ever beating my hyo (given i have ridden another hyo same year model and it was gutles compered to mine so wether i go lucky or what i dont know bot i do KNOW its faster then 170 by my clock and by a busas and my dads clock and a susuki sv 650)

i understand that the other racers will be like that and i look forward to it. learn from real expeirence i can see in action not just words, words are as usefull as a whore with jeans but seeing and doing is the fastest and best way to learn

[mossy1200]

The thing is the new ex ninja is road tested to true speed of 105mph and it has a few less hp than the older models but is lighter.Top speed wont mean as much as total package on a 250 anyway so who cares which bikes faster in straight line.Yours may have more midrange pull than a ninja giving you speed sooner.
The inline 4s pre 1991 will be the fastest 250s as this was pre japan restricting top end power to 36hp(memory only on that figure).Everyone talks about removing restrictors blaa blah but when factory decides to restrict top end then they move more power lower with cams etc so the newer 250s just will never have the same top end grunt as the older ones.

Just go race it ,have fun,own your own piece of track then upgrade classes latter.

[chaos rider]

The thing is the new ex ninja is road tested to true speed of 105mph and it has a few less hp than the older models but is lighter.Top speed wont mean as much as total package on a 250 anyway so who cares which bikes faster in straight line.Yours may have more midrange pull than a ninja giving you speed sooner.
The inline 4s pre 1991 will be the fastest 250s as this was pre japan restricting top end power to 36hp(memory only on that figure).Everyone talks about removing restrictors blaa blah but when factory decides to restrict top end then they move more power lower with cams etc so the newer 250s just will never have the same top end grunt as the older ones.

Just go race it ,have fun,own your own piece of track then upgrade classes latter.

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

[ducatilover]

him and his dad went for a ride, i believe they got atleast up to 180km.

Physically impossible

even if it was geared up 25% it would be so slow accelerating that getting to 180km/h would take decades.......

its just not possible with what hes done to the bike

It's not possible. Unless he has over 35hp at the wheel.

i can assure you all my hyo does 178km/h last i checked and im absolutly sure shes faster now

like i said before i thrashed all the other 250s at the trackday no the straight

i realy dont give a shit what stat you come out with ive broken 170 and possibly 180 but ive without a doubt taken her faster then 170

ill be more then happy to do a demo for anyone who thinks there 250 4stroke is faster

the cbr 400 at puki was even slower down the backstraight then me

No, a cbr400 will out run and out handle the hyosung you ride, once upon a time, small bikes involved technology on for making "impressive" machines, a good cbr400rr will be pushing 50hp at the wheel/60hp at the crank and weighs less...bigger brakes....better gearing...better geometry...oh and it is not a budget commuter.

Your on.

My mate has a 2009 Ninja 250 with an exhaust that has been wanting to blow a hyosung away.

You keen to put your money where your mouth is.

Ill even bring my ZXR250 along.

Fuck the 250 ninja, he thinks he can beat a zxr250....come down to the strip....

im not going to taupo becuase i dont want to spend $400 for one track day
fuel, van rentil, entry

when i can go to puki for $80 on nov 15th and get a fre bbq
and puki isnt dangerous compered to some roads ive ridden on at legel speeds

its up to you lot to come see for yourself wether its just bystanding or riding im not judging

till then stfu im not talking shit about my speed and you all need to shut up till you see it for yourselves and btw my friends 150 with 19bh at the wheel con do 140

hp has fuck al to do with speed its just how quickly you get there

You are talking shit, we all are aware of how things happen, I myself have ridden both the gt250 and the R, I have explained before, they are not fast by 250 standards. The three fastest 250 twins [four stroke] are, Honda vt250f2, Honda vt250j spada and some of the earlier gpx250's [waaaay back in the 40hp days]. All the cbr250 models were faster, all the zxr models were faster, all the fzr250 models were faster and the gsx-r was also faster. Factual, proven, done.

yes but saying the gpx dose 170 is as bad as me saying i can do 200 have you seen the exhausts on them their like <----------------> yay big ,inch or less. plus konoichi has one and we both went for it, and she tapped at 168 by my clock and i got up to 178 so i fail to see them ever beating my hyo (given i have ridden another hyo same year model and it was gutles compered to mine so wether i go lucky or what i dont know bot i do KNOW its faster then 170 by my clock and by a busas and my dads clock and a susuki sv 650)

i understand that the other racers will be like that and i look forward to it. learn from real expeirence i can see in action not just words, words are as usefull as a whore with jeans but seeing and doing is the fastest and best way to learn

It will not reach 170 unless you are pushing more than 40hp at the crank, a standard spada will indicate 170 down a hill, they are doing a true 163kmh on the limiter [Timed in martinborough] Re-geared like mine would barely push past a true 170, indicate a 180k reading eventually, but, that was incorrect. Mine also made more hp standard at THE WHEEL than your hyosung is doing at the crank....Mine also had fairings and far better gear ratios, and a significant lack of weight in comparison to yours. Please explain that one?
Who cares though? 250cc bikes are a giggle, if they have 40hp or more, and a good one will be great fun on the right road, that's why I went back to a 250 after the 400 and 650. But, top speed is pathetic on any 250, they are not fast, unless we are talking great two strokes.

So explain the top speed theory please, I do not understand it
Cheers

[ducatilover]

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

You just told us you beat a cbr400.....and every other 250....whilst having posted pictures of tyres that haven't been hot, nor suffered from any lean angle, stress or power....

[mossy1200]

oh im sure the 4s will be faster and i dont intend to beet them any time soon but ill take on any twin with the intent to win thats all im saying

I take on every posty with the intent to win it just doesnt happen all the time.
You can have a awesome race then one that stinks.Just go hard and at some point you will be happy with your results.May take couple races ,may take couple years.You will find that out at some point.If your one of a few twins, then although wins may not be as satisfactory as a larger race class at least you will be hardened vet by the time new guys start in the near future.The days of the 150 2stroke are reducing with their age and 250twin will be the next thing.Will mean you should get good resale value when you upgrade also.

Give us the rim size on that rear wheel 17/4inch etc cause that tyre is all wrong size wise to race on.The sidewalls are to high and the width is to wide.
Thats one reason the chicken strip is so large cause the tyre is not fully usable.Anybody thinks they could wear that strip off would need to be falling off to do it.