I don't get it?

[scott411]

maybe i am reading to much into what you said, but then i think the same can be said about you reading to much into Chris attacking the vic club, we all interpret things differently,

You say I have attacked AMCC in the past...BS...I have been criticle on certain events that have occured...and I might point out rightly so too!

there is a fine line between the two, and again different people see things different,

[SixPackBack]

i like the fact you have put some thought into it and have a bit of a plan, if you beleive in it stand for the president next agm,

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

[Biggles08]

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

Far too obvious...and besides how will AMCC pay for that?

[scott411]

Its mindboggling to me to see the ignorance of people like you (that is not meant in a derogitory way too btw) who fail to see the forrest for the trees! I AM NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE I HIGHLIGHT THE PROBLEM!

i am in many groups, so can you please tell me who else is like me?

i am not saying that you need to stand yourself, but do you think the committee of the amcc purposly run things to piss people off?,

what i am saying is if you do not like it change it, do not ask other people to change it for you,

if you are not part of the solution you are essentally part of the problem are you not?, and i do not personally think that writing your thoughts on a website is a solutions,

i guess we are never going to agree, because i can not see the point in attacking a volenteer unless you are prepared to do it yourself, solutions are not written on websites, they are acted upon,

[Biggles08]

maybe i am reading to much into what you said, but then i think the same can be said about you reading to much into Chris attacking the vic club, we all interpret things differently,


there is a fine line between the two, and again different people see things different,

No there isn't...attacking the club is a completely different thing than being critical on issues that occur.

Re CC and the newsletter I have no way to know his intentions behind what he wrote BUT I have heard him with my own two ears belittleing the PMCC summer series and bagging them with NO reason to do so. So when you take history and that sentence I think I'm right to interpret in this manner. And like I said in a previous post why did he not use "...not just the AMCC Summer Series" as his catch phrase if he meant no malace?

[SixPackBack]

Far too obvious...and besides how will AMCC pay for that?

Big question to answer. I suspect much like myself you have a good idea where to start the process and what the AMCC could evolve into, funding the revolution is only one issue of consideration, and given the potential a minor one.

[scott411]

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

i do not see that as an answer personally,

i think that will create more problems, if you want proof look at MNZ, they have a prefessional CEO with a vision, (as did the 2 CEOs before him)

being involved with a club that has some poeple paid, it becomes a shitfight when you start paying some positions, and not others,

as i said, that is only my opinion,

[SixPackBack]

i do not see that as an answer personally,

i think that will create more problems, if you want proof look at MNZ, they have a prefessional CEO with a vision, (as did the 2 CEOs before him)

being involved with a club that has some poeple paid, it becomes a shitfight when you start paying some positions, and not others,

as i said, that is only my opinion,

'Persactly why the status quo will stay and perhaps never change at the AMCC, as previously mentioned the collective mindset needs to change, and before an executive leader is hired the club needs to agree on some ground rules, the most important of which would be intolerance towards disruption.
In short [and plain English], hiring a professional is a total waste of time if said individual has to spend their entire time fighting the club.

[Biggles08]

i am in many groups, so can you please tell me who else is like me?

people who fail to see I'm not creating a problem merely highlighting one

i am not saying that you need to stand yourself, but do you think the committee of the amcc purposly run things to piss people off?,

Thats just silly and of course I don't think that! I don't see your point here

what i am saying is if you do not like it change it, do not ask other people to change it for you,

Wrong! like I have said before....this time read it....everyone has a different role to play in every organization....DON'T presume you know what mine is!

if you are not part of the solution you are essentally part of the problem are you not?, and i do not personally think that writing your thoughts on a website is a solutions,

Once again I will say it so read it as I'm getting sick of repeating myself ....a solution is a process that involves FIRSTLY acknowledgement that there is a problem.....that has not happened yet and YOU are more of the problem if you can't see this! Posting on 'a website' is kind of understating the actual truth wouldn't you say? This is a powerful tool and the internet is here to stay. Those whom do not recognised this will be left behind. Check out my Biggles Racing Facebook page scott...if you know what that is (sorry that was a bit cheeky).

i guess we are never going to agree, because i can not see the point in attacking a volenteer unless you are prepared to do it yourself, solutions are not written on websites, they are acted upon,

refer to the point above...It needs to be acknowledged first then change implimented, it can't go the other way.

[scott411]

'Persactly why the status quo will stay and perhaps never change at the AMCC, as previously mentioned the collective mindset needs to change, and before an executive leader is hired the club needs to agree on some ground rules, the most important of which would be intolerance towards disruption.
In short [and plain English], hiring a professional is a total waste of time if said individual has to spend their entire time fighting the club.

agree 100% with what you said here, and i think it is not alone with the amcc, but though the whole sport of motorcycle racing in nz, promotors are what are needed imo

[scott411]

This is a powerful tool and the internet is here to stay. Those whom do not recognised this will be left behind. Check out my Biggles Racing Facebook page scott...if you know what that is (sorry that was a bit cheeky).

since we are being cheeky, i only really follow national level racers,

seriously tho,

i understand what you are saying, i still have a bit of a problem the way you are doing it but we are all different in that,

i am not sure if you have worked in a club (weather being in motorcycle racing or not) but you get a certain pride in it, and you do not want others to let it decline, i am sure Chris would step aside if he felt someone was going to grow the club, i know i would with the club i am president of,

[Biggles08]

since we are being cheeky, i only really follow national level racers,

seriously tho,

i understand what you are saying, i still have a bit of a problem the way you are doing it but we are all different in that,

i am not sure if you have worked in a club (weather being in motorcycle racing or not) but you get a certain pride in it, and you do not want others to let it decline, i am sure Chris would step aside if he felt someone was going to grow the club, i know i would with the club i am president of,

hahaha....touche scott! and I can understand this too. Like I have said, I'm not trying to bash CC personally as some whould have you believe, I just see things need to change....and maybe that pride is slightly getting in the way.

[Burrt Badger]

Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.

[Devil]

Who are you?

[Biggles08]

Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.

You have a problem with comprehension Burtbadger....most of what you have said in this post does not even closely resemble anything that I am trying to explain/highlight or suggests things that have already been covered so I won't bother...its too hard explaining simple things to simple minds. Re-read my posts again and then your one...you will see what you have presumed I am saying is completely wrong.