Warning- for when you up the pace.

[MSTRS:Me]

You might be having an awesome ride all on your own and everything comes together beautifully... like being right in "the zone" (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=102234)
and you start going faster and quicker than before.

I think I need to clarify that the way I read the OP's post was that he thinks that everyone can find their "zone" at higher speeds if they are prepared and know what they're doing.

I'm saying that not everyone has a "zone" at higher speeds and that it is dangerous thinking to feel that once you're in "zone" that you will be OK. This is why I would not suggest applying his reasoning to one's own riding as you may be sorely disappointed.

How do you get that? Beyond never said 'the zone' is to be found at higher speeds. Quite the contrary...he said that when 'in the zone' it is entirely possible that a rider's speed may find itself creeping up. 'The zone' happened first.
Funny thing, this 'zone'. It is different for all of us, the only commonality being that it is a state of mind. A nebulous place that exists in the moment, where all comes together for the rider/bike/road. A zen state, if you will. Yet not autopilot. For some of us, gradually increasing speed can be a symptom of being in the 'zone'. And Beyond's point was that we must be prepared for what happens at higher speeds, otherwise rider/bike/road come together in an entirely different way...

[MarkH]

How do you get that? Beyond never said 'the zone' is to be found at higher speeds. Quite the contrary...he said that when 'in the zone' it is entirely possible that a rider's speed may find itself creeping up. 'The zone' happened first.
Funny thing, this 'zone'. It is different for all of us, the only commonality being that it is a state of mind. A nebulous place that exists in the moment, where all comes together for the rider/bike/road. A zen state, if you will. Yet not autopilot. For some of us, gradually increasing speed can be a symptom of being in the 'zone'. And Beyond's point was that we must be prepared for what happens at higher speeds, other rider/bike/road come together in an entirely different way...

Nicely put. Unfortunately I didn't read your post until after I had read the original post and jumped to silly conclusions leading me to rush out and immediately push myself beyond my limits and ride so fast that I broke the sound barrier - but it's OK, I have some superglue and the sound barrier will be as good as new in no time.

[MSTRS:Me]

Nicely put. Unfortunately I didn't read your post until after I had read the original post and jumped to silly conclusions leading me to rush out and immediately push myself beyond my limits and ride so fast that I broke the sound barrier - but it's OK, I have some superglue and the sound barrier will be as good as new in no time.

Well silly old you, eh? That'll teach you for failing to comprehend.
You'll probably be needing some sandpaper and touchup paint as well....

[imdying]

Look Steve, come on, how can you not see the merits of this Thread?

Well that's easy, you should be able to see it... this thread is "You should all try drink driving, just a little bit, a small controllable manageable step at a time, that way when you're put in that position, say getting caught up in the moment during a group ride with the boys, you'll be ready for it."

The whole thread is fucked from the very first paragraph. It makes assumptions about people that are frankly ridiculous.

[short-circuit]

Well that's easy, you should be able to see it... this thread is "You should all try drink driving, just a little bit, a small controllable manageable step at a time, that way when you're put in that position, say getting caught up in the moment during a group ride with the boys, you'll be ready for it."

The whole thread is fucked from the very first paragraph. It makes assumptions about people that are frankly ridiculous.

Not often I agree with you, but I too see the logic as pretty flawed

[MSTRS:Me]

The only assumption the OP makes is that motorcyclists are likely to give it a bit from time to time. His (and my) experience is that this is a fact, not an assumption. The rest is a warning. I don't see him as encouraging anyone to go fast/er, although there is definitely some advice on what to expect if you do.

[mister.koz]

Jesus.. i thought he had a good few bloody points.

Of course katman believes 50% of people on bikes are complete lunatics and the rest of the biker population are total sheep and can't think for themselves or apply reason, logic and caution to advice given. So his assumption is usually based on the poster being one of the 4 horsemen.

Out of about 100 - 150 people i have met and ridden with there are about 10 that i would never ride with again, one is dangerously slow, 2 are dangerously fast and the rest are idiots, all ignorant, all fools.

Speed vs danger is relative, a learner at 100km/h is terrifying. Attitude is more important.

Anyways, thanks for the pointers dude, i will keep them in mind shame this thread descended into chaos

[snuffles]

Let the naysayers butt out here and now.......
I don't care who you are or how long you have been riding or how much you tell people you do not speed.... if you are a motorcyclist you are going to push the boundaries at some time and at some place.

That is a cold hard fact!

This is a warning so you know what to expect when you do up the pace. You may be riding along nice and carefully and someone shoots past and you feel like a play and twist the throttle and tuck in behind.

You might be on a group ride with a lot of experienced riders and all of a sudden you get caught along with a more rapidly paced ride.

You might be having an awesome ride all on your own and everything comes together beautifully... like being right in "the zone" (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=102234)
and you start going faster and quicker than before.

When you up the pace, your bike starts to behave differently and you need to be aware of what is taking place:

1. Centrifugal forces start to come into play at far greater levels the faster you go. This means you need to "muscle" the bike more and counter steer harder to drop it into corners. The faster you go the more likely you are to swing wide which means on a right hander you might end up doing some unwanted gardening, or on a left hander you become a bonnet badge on someones oncoming vehicle.
On some bikes, at speeds above a certain level, this extra muscling required can cause head shake which if you are not aware at what level this creeps in, you can lose control. It is important you do not tense up but steer the bike into the corner with a light grip on the bars so the bike can have it;s way.
The moment you tense up you will end up exacerbating any issues.

2. The faster you go the more time will be compressed which means things happen very quickly. You need to be fully alert and continually scanning the road ahead as far as you can see while keeping an eye on the road surface and things happening in close proximity In short... you better have bloody good reflexes which means no drugs, drink or lack of sleep induced weariness. If you aren't in the right frame of mind do not twist that throttle.

3. You need to be able to brake faster, harder and with more control and smoothness than ever before because when things go wrong they go wrong very quickly at speed. You really need to have rehearsed in your mind what you would do if any number of things were to happen. Have in mind an escape route, do not panic, do not let the adrenaline rush allow you to do anything stupid. Control the rush, keep an even state of mind, look where you want to go, aim for the gap, if you know you won't stop in time, then plan a safer exit point. Prempt another drivers directions and plan to move a different way if they change their minds.

4. Your bike needs to be top notch. Brakes and pads up to scratch, tyre pressures correct and suspension sorted for your weight and height.

5. This isn't a licence to speed but before you push the boundaries you need to know the boundaries of your own mental state and your bike before you decide to twist that throttle and give it a go. I don't care what anyone has to say but you are going to twist that throttle at some time and you better be ready for it. Practice on quiet roads in areas where you will not end up paying for John Keys lunch.

You will learn a hell of a lot about how your bike handles and reacts when pushed because I can assure you right now the harder you ride the more different your bike will handle and for some that aren't aware, it WILL scare the shit out of you.

Be warned and be prepared.

Thanks for your valuable input...I can now sleep at night

[flyingcrocodile46]

Well that's easy, you should be able to see it... this thread is "You should all try drink driving, just a little bit, a small controllable manageable step at a time, that way when you're put in that position, say getting caught up in the moment during a group ride with the boys, you'll be ready for it."

He doesn't advocate that anyone "should" put them selves in harms way, he is being a realist who recognises that the majority of people do take risks and he's warning that there are repercussions if they do so, and that there are ways to mitigate those repercussions.

Why can't you nanny's educate yourselves and try reading and understanding the actual words in the post instead of crediting your own narrow minded misconstrued and non factual interpretations as being those of the writer.

The whole thread is fucked from the very first paragraph. It makes assumptions about people that are frankly ridiculous.

You feel that way simply because you lack the simple comprehension required to read and correctly interpret basic English, which is what is truly ridiculous.

Not often I agree with you, but I too see the logic as pretty flawed

Nice to see you found something in common with him... but what a pity it had to be his 'lack of comprehension'.

[imdying]

You feel that way simply because you lack the simple comprehension required to read and correctly interpret basic English, which is what is truly ridiculous.

Nice to see you found something in common with him... but what a pity it had to be his 'lack of comprehension'.

If you don't want to look like a twat, then you would be best not to do the things you accuse us of...

The what of people?

he is being a realist who recognises that the majority of people....

Let the naysayers butt out here and now.......
I don't care who you are or how long you have been riding or how much you tell people you do not speed.... if you are a motorcyclist you are going to push the boundaries at some time and at some place.

That is a cold hard fact!

...

I don't care what anyone has to say but you are going to twist that throttle at some time and you better be ready for it.

That's not 'the majority'... that's tarring everyone with the same retard brush.

[flyingcrocodile46]

That's not 'the majority'... that's tarring everyone with the same retard brush.

Don't worry, I'm sure your retard brush is bigger than everyone elses.

btw, Negative feedback is the tool of cowards and cry babies. Thanks for clarifying your status

[imdying]

Ha, I thought so

[Genestho]

Well that's easy, you should be able to see it... this thread is "You should all try drink driving, just a little bit, a small controllable manageable step at a time, that way when you're put in that position, say getting caught up in the moment during a group ride with the boys, you'll be ready for it."

The whole thread is fucked from the very first paragraph. It makes assumptions about people that are frankly ridiculous.

DAMN YOU MAN, for bringing me back into the foray! (And you blokes say wimmin are bad eh?)
OUCH, and point taken! My bad!!

I should've been clearer.

The merit I saw in the post was this "Be warned and be prepared"
This is a true statement, that IMO, cannot be wrong.
And I'm getting the heck outta this thread, before it combusts.

[MSTRS:Me]

... shame this thread descended into chaos ...

That suggests that the thread was responsible for the descent...not the usual culprit/s wheeling out their well-used flamethrowers and dragging it down. Despite the heroic efforts of the (other) usual culprits to stop them.

[bogan]

And I'm getting the heck outta this thread, before it combusts.

yup, theres it goes