So motorcycle deaths are overrepresented

[James Deuce]

Damn, I'll have to go for the loud pipes then...

They don't help either. They can't hear you until you've gone past and even then the noise attenuation provided by better vehicle sealing and insulation is pretty amazing.

[ynot slow]

same old shit really, but in my view Motorcyclists are without doubt over represented in the stats, its not everyone elses fault ya know...........take some heat people.....arent most crashes single vehicle crashes?
How many riders do you know that have gone down due to riding on the road like fuckwits? I know shitloads of them and I know several that are dead due to riding like fuckwits..............put that into the big national picture and I think there is alot of merit in the report.

If we as motorcyclists want to reduce the toll on our kind, then first thing we need to do is have a look within, i.e at ourselves.............doing this would provide lower negative stats over night...... how would this be achieved, well sadly it wont and these stats will continue to pour out until the government do something drastic and unfortunetely thats likely to be inevitable

You are correct,we heard a loud noise yesterday,heard the thump,wife said fuck that's close,she hopped in the car,around the corner(200mt)was a bike,rider severley injured,his brother saw the crash apparently from his place,ambo was coming.Another lady said remove his helmet,wife said no,just try to remove strap,emergency guy talking to someone with phone said no(he heard them talking)place in recovery(which they had done) .
Fire brigade arrived,ambo came but was too late,police had the doctor called,he said they all did correct thing,placed into recovery position(1 held head,1 at trunk,2 with feet)as per text book.Only reason I didn't go and told her not to was when hearing the bang,heard the sickening scrapping sound and thought fuck a bike sliding.

No other vehicle involved,just human error,or maybe mechanical fault,serious crash unit will determine,but another statistic.

[Conquiztador]

Here the ones that relate to Motorcycling in that "Safer Journeys" research that they refer to (and here the link for those who are interested in sending them their own opinion: http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjo.../overview.aspx )

- Improve rider training and licensing regime for new motorcycle riders


- Introduce a specific programme of treatments for motorcycle black spots


- Require all new motorcycles to have anti-lock brake systems by 2015


- Introduce a differential ACC levy based on engine size (ie bikes over 600cc pay a higher ACC levy than smaller bikes)


- License moped riders and require warrant of fitness tests for mopeds


- Promote high visibility and protective clothing for motorcyclists


There are others there that clearly would affect bikers too (like speed limits, compulsory 3rd party insurance etc.) but these are the specific bike related ones.

So does not look like this is targeted at bikers.

[MarkH]

Gee we are coping some bad press at the moment, anyone noticing a pattern here. I wonder what it is all leading to?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10598593

Hmmm, read the article and noticed the lack of anything constructive. The suggestion of raising the driving age was there, but that just means the drivers without enough experience will be slightly older.

What about people having to undergo GOOD training before getting a drivers license (not just mum teaching jnr to drive)? What about advanced driving courses being mandatory for a driver to move up to a full license? Why the reluctance to have better trained drivers on our roads?

[Danae]

I like what they are planning to do with the <20 drivers.

Still...driver training is huge must, as well as motorcycle awareness. Even a few motorcycle awareness questions on the scratch n win. Ads on tv like that norwegian one (we may be small, but we aren't bugs) would probably make a huge improvement on awareness.

EDIT: Even though learner riders are riding by themselves and that is the main reason we have the BHS, I still think drivers should have to do a basic course in hazard detection and looking out for pushbikes/motorbikes/scooters etc. Motorbikes are becoming more and more popular, we need to be more widely recognised as another road user.

Before I started riding, I didn't notice bikes. But it's just like you don't notice individual cars (unless it's something out of the ordinary) combined with the fact we are smaller.

Rider error is truly a doozy...single vehicle crashes etc. Most often people riding out of their limits, I take it?

I really want to contact a tv channel and get them to put some motorcycle awareness ads...we have enough bloody 'don't drink and drive' ads by ACC.

[madbikeboy]

I like what they are planning to do with the <20 drivers.

Still...driver training is huge must, as well as motorcycle awareness. Even a few motorcycle awareness questions on the scratch n win. Ads on tv like that norwegian one (we may be small, but we aren't bugs) would probably make a huge improvement on awareness.

Cool avatar. Is that an actual likeness? If it is, you'll be safer for it on the road because that jumping orange background is eyecatching.

[The Pastor]

I went to a workshop on how to improve road saftey years ago, a few kbers on here went to it.

I put the point foward to our little group about training. Much to the disgust of the cops in our group. They told me if we train people to drive, they will drive faster and cause more accidents.

That is the thinking agaisnt driver training from the people who have a big say in how road saftey should be made better.

We're all screwed.

[mynameis]

same old shit really, but in my view Motorcyclists are without doubt over represented in the stats, its not everyone elses fault ya know...........take some heat people.....arent most crashes single vehicle crashes?
How many riders do you know that have gone down due to riding on the road like fuckwits? I know shitloads of them and I know several that are dead due to riding like fuckwits..............put that into the big national picture and I think there is alot of merit in the report.

If we as motorcyclists want to reduce the toll on our kind, then first thing we need to do is have a look within, i.e at ourselves.............doing this would provide lower negative stats over night...... how would this be achieved, well sadly it wont and these stats will continue to pour out until the government do something drastic and unfortunetely thats likely to be inevitable

+1

Go the government, 9 years of Labour just sitting on their asses has resulted in this.

Also:

Drivers can drink and drive and kill someone and all they get is just a little tap on their hands and few hours of community service for murder.

16 year olds get their restricted licences, pay the government $ sit in a classroom and accelerate their time and get full at 17. It's a licence to kill.

You can drink 4 5 6 drinks within a few hours and probably be safe to drive.

The whole system is a joke, really.

[mynameis]

I went to a workshop on how to improve road saftey years ago, a few kbers on here went to it.

I put the point foward to our little group about training. Much to the disgust of the cops in our group. They told me if we train people to drive, they will drive faster and cause more accidents.

That is the thinking agaisnt driver training from the people who have a big say in how road saftey should be made better.

We're all screwed.

Police are enforcers of the law.
MP's, lawyers are makers of the law.
Members of the public are people who put these people into power.
There's also a process where members of the public get to have their say on issues/law changes ect. Submissions.

[tomobedlam]

16 year olds get their restricted licences, pay the government $ sit in a classroom and accelerate their time and get full at 17. It's a licence to kill.
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Fully licensed drivers at 17 is pretty scary. As far paying the government to sit in the classroom. Problem with this is it is no where near long or intensive enough

[MSTRS:Me]

Fully licensed drivers at 17 is pretty scary. As far paying the government to sit in the classroom. Problem with this is it is no where near long or intensive enough

Bugger off. Depends on the individual.
I had a full m.c licence at 15 + 6 weeks. And so did most of my peers at the time. Nothing scary about that.
OTOH There are people who've been driving on a full licence for years that I'd be nervous about.

[Disco Dan]

Motorbikes are dangerous

Dealer told me it had lots of safety devices

[oldrider]

It's our perceived "public image" and I have to give Katman some credit here, he has campaigned ad nauseam on this issue and all "he" has got out of it has been condemnation and ridicule! (me included here)

We reap what we sow! Public "perception" is public "reality"!

You have to admit our motorcyclist image (true or false) is not good among "those who can and will, legislate against us"!

I am sure Katman would prefer to be proved wrong about this!

[cold comfort]

The stats are certainly looking nasty even allowing for LTNZs suspect "research". As we all know from real research, its speed+incompetence (ie too fast for conditions/ability) thats the real killer when "speed' is involved. Just continually penalising (with increased Rego)those of us who try real hard not to crash (and are, for the most part, successful) the issue of driver training, is never fully addressed.

[Grubber]

same old shit really, but in my view Motorcyclists are without doubt over represented in the stats, its not everyone elses fault ya know...........take some heat people.....arent most crashes single vehicle crashes?
How many riders do you know that have gone down due to riding on the road like fuckwits? I know shitloads of them and I know several that are dead due to riding like fuckwits..............put that into the big national picture and I think there is alot of merit in the report.

If we as motorcyclists want to reduce the toll on our kind, then first thing we need to do is have a look within, i.e at ourselves.............doing this would provide lower negative stats over night...... how would this be achieved, well sadly it wont and these stats will continue to pour out until the government do something drastic and unfortunetely thats likely to be inevitable

Ditto! I have seen many riders go down after they have shot past me at 100mph. I ride reasonably quick as all of us do from time to time. The difference with me and many of my companions is that we ride within our capabilities and road conditions.Many don't and this is generally where they come unstuck.