Scooter riders: are they all this retarded?

[Squiggles]

Contact = Chance of injury. More contact = More chance.

And what if i was wearing a motocross styled helmet with a more pronounced chin bar?

Regardless, that Dushy occasionally wears an open face is an informed choice he has made, alot of scooter (and motorcycle)riders do not know the potential consequences, if they did, i hope more would wear gear (at least gloves and a jacket). If we make an effort on this front and some then chose to wear gear it will at least delay laws such as we have for helmets.

[ital916]

emotive statement... a predicament you accept?

I do not accept it, but changing it will be difficult until a few club members change their riding behaviour and attitude. I cannot change your behaviour nor others, only the person themselves can recognise the need for improvement. We are hot headed and many are overconfident on their skills.

Tales of....I raced a r6 at 200km/h, I popped the sickest monos, I got my knee down, in the club are signs of trouble coming.

It was great when the club did the RRRS course, maybe we need to start a club skills session once a month; get some mentors on board maybe?

[ital916]

Hmm, crash statistics speak for themselves. Note where the largest proportion of impacts occur upon the helmet

"lies, damn lies and statistics". Reference the source, the demographic(s) surveyed, then quote the standard deviations as well as any anomalies and outliers. If they got all this data to compare but the SDs between the comparisons are way of their will be REASONABLE DOUBT that the conclusions drawn are false and that their is evidence AGAINST the hypothesis...blah blah..I hate stats...anyway you get the point.

[Squiggles]

Tales of....I raced a r6 at 200km/h, I popped the sickest monos, I got my knee down, in the club are signs of trouble coming.

I've yet to see/hear these myself Float your safety ideas on Friday, and check ya emails re our grant app

[ital916]

There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too.

Correct me if i've missed it, but Dushy doesnt seem to be advocating open faced helmets in place of a full face.

Thanks stephen, you are correct, I was not advocating any such thing. I was merely saying that we cannot change peoples minds on things, we can inform them of some helpful info and then they have to change it themselves.

I reckon all info, especially stats being posted need to have a reference.

[Danae]

It was great when the club did the RRRS course, maybe we need to start a club skills session once a month; get some mentors on board maybe?

Can we please please do this? A skills session + NASS would be extra helpful to me

[Squiggles]

I reckon all info, especially stats being posted need to have a reference.

Im still trying to locate the study that helmet image was posted in "Dietmar Otte, Hannover Medical University, Department of Traffic Accident Research, Germany" is all i have so far...

Edit: Found the fucker, http://cordis.europa.eu/cost-transport/src/cost-327.htm Page 43 of the Interim Report.

[ital916]

Can we please please do this? A skills session + NASS would be extra helpful to me

I will bring it up on friday, it will be difficult to organise in the coming weeks though as the last weeks of uni go into high gear. Definately something for summer though.,

[mattian]

well that's good for you

I'm sick of paying almost a dollar a day in rego on my road motorcycles because scooters, dirtbikes and farm quads don't have to pay their share of the acc levy

hopefully the cager population doesn't realise how much we're undercharged as it is....

when I am disgruntled with a situation to the point where I am telling people that I am "sick of it" then I figure its time to put it behind me and, move on. Ever thought about selling the bike and catching the bus?

[motorbyclist]

yes, bring it up on friday - but let it be said there are already weekly training sessions in auckland that club members attend, KB has it's mentor system in place and if we were to run our own we need someone capable who can regularly do so.

Furthermore, the SMC officially dissaproves of the use of open face helmets (or half-hats, as they should really be called), and and as elected Safety Officer I strongly advise against them.

Ever thought about selling the bike and catching the bus?

if was anything close to cheaper it might be an option... if it even went near my home more than thrice a day it might be seriously considered... even if it was the service would have to improve

[Danae]

if was anything close to cheaper it might be an option... if it even went near my home more than thrice a day it might be seriously considered... even if it was the service would have to improve

You know you wouldn't be able to stay away from bikes

[ital916]

yes, bring it up on friday - but let it be said there are already weekly training sessions in auckland that club members attend, KB has it's mentor system in place and if we were to run our own we need someone capable who can regularly do so.

Furthermore, the SMC officially dissaproves of the use of open face helmets (or half-hats, as they should really be called), and and as elected Safety Officer I strongly advise against them.

Stephen....is this the official club stance on the matter. I dont agree, it is not my stance, my stance is let people buy what they want. I didnt realise that this is what the club "officialy" stands for.

Be wary, as sponsors wont like sponsoring a club that is against products they sell...and cycletreads sells some good open face helmets. By good I mean not chinese made crap, but oxford ans shark brand ones.

As elected safety official, it is your job to bring to the clubs attention any safety problems you believe are affecting the club after which it will be dealt with. Saying that open face helmets are a problem is silly, it is like saying gloves without nuckle armour are less safe, dont wear them or jackets without thermal liners are bad as riders will catch colds more and so on. As Andrew petty though you can hold the opinon that you dont like open face helmets.

Note my davida is not a "half hat", it covers me head all the way to the base of the skull *providing better lower skull protection that your hjc and most of the clubs helmets* and up to the very edge of my cheeks and down to just above my eyes. It has a fantastic inner liner, excellent construction quality and is rated for racing in the UK. So be wary of poking fun at gear which you dont like. A half hat is a shorty which is literally half a helmet. I dont like thos ones, but I dont stop people from buying them.

[Slyer]

OMG the pressing issues of the century!
Shut the fuck up you lot.

[Danae]

I'm pretty sure the club officially recommends full-face helmets

[Real_Wolf]

at the AGM it was officially voted in that we have a stance against open face helmets.

That doens't mean anyone is forced one way or another, but the club is of the opinion that a closed face helmet is better