250 vs bigger bike. In case you wondered.

**Dean** · 24th September 2009, 17:58

While I do that you get over you're self.

**wbks** · 24th September 2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by Dean

About the patience with a cheaper 250? Because I "could" get a ninja if I really wanted to or I "could" get a hyosung because it costs so much and it looks alright. But I "dont" because im learning on my restricted so I need a cheaper just in case I crash it.

Im not going to go for my full when my waiting time finishes, just because the waiting time finishes doesent mean I am ready. It is until I can convicnce myself and a mentor that I have enough skills for the road then i will go for my full - Thats what maturity is, sadly many riders pshycologically cant wait it out.

I said why do did you say "more like a month" when I said it's been a while since I've ridden a 250? Have we met? As far as I can remember, the only 250 I've ridden in quite a while (apart from a bucket racer) was a hired one for my full test...

Like the other dude said, you need to get over your self (or at least not convince yourself you know it all when it comes to everyone who's ever held a bike license). "many riders" don't go for their full because they can as soon as the time expires, they go for it because they think/know they're ready for it. And it's not sad, what is sad is that you think other riders who get their full license as soon as they can are somehow psychologically deficient. btw it's "Your". "You're" means "you are"

**Dean** · 24th September 2009, 18:13

Originally Posted by wbks

I said why do did you say "more like a month" when I said it's been a while since I've ridden a 250? Have we met? As far as I can remember, the only 250 I've ridden in quite a while (apart from a bucket racer) was a hired one for my full test...

Like the other dude said, you need to get over your self (or at least not convince yourself you know it all when it comes to everyone who's ever held a bike license). "many riders" don't go for their full because they can as soon as the time expires, they go for it because they think/know they're ready for it. And it's not sad, what is sad is that you think other riders who get their full license as soon as they can are somehow psychologically deficient. btw it's "Your". "You're" means "you are"

You told me a month ago you recently bought the gsxr via pm, so it would of only been a month of you're 250 right? Give or take a little, im sorry if I got it wrong.

I dont know it all when It comes to everyone whos ever held a bike licence FFS man I never said that and dam you for accusing me of that, however I know common sense. I can name many kbers who admit they dont really think they are up to skill they just want to get their full so they can buy there bike they so desperately need. If someone told you " I want to buy a hayabusa, I cant wait for my full to buy one because I want to turn up to school in it before I leave for my last year" If you told them what I said would that mean you "know everything".

**wbks** · 24th September 2009, 19:19

Originally Posted by Dean

You told me a month ago you recently bought the gsxr via pm, so it would of only been a month of you're 250 right? Give or take a little, im sorry if I got it wrong.

I dont know it all when It comes to everyone whos ever held a bike licence FFS man I never said that and dam you for accusing me of that, however I know common sense. I can name many kbers who admit they dont really think they are up to skill they just want to get their full so they can buy there bike they so desperately need. If someone told you " I want to buy a hayabusa, I cant wait for my full to buy one because I want to turn up to school in it before I leave for my last year" If you told them what I said would that mean you "know everything".

No, I sold the 250 quite a while before that, and have been riding bigger bikes for a while. I would not tell them anything because it's none of my business. If anything I would try to scab a ride off them, and if they were asking for advice I would suggest something more user friendly for a learner. I see what you're saying though, and reading it again over dinner I might have taken it the wrong way. Sorry!

**Dean** · 24th September 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by wbks

No, I sold the 250 quite a while before that, and have been riding bigger bikes for a while. I would not tell them anything because it's none of my business. If anything I would try to scab a ride off them, and if they were asking for advice I would suggest something more user friendly for a learner. I see what you're saying though, and reading it again over dinner I might have taken it the wrong way. Sorry!

Oh I see. I just care for some of them, dont want to see them hurt themselves just to get a bike to show off at school or impress their gf etc. I wouldnt ride the hayabusa for em, unless it were restricted to like 40 horses thats all I need lol. No my bad, sorry for lashing out.

**Maki** · 24th September 2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by Dean

Oh I see. I just care for some of them, dont want to see them hurt themselves just to get a bike to show off at school or impress their gf etc. I wouldnt ride the hayabusa for em, unless it were restricted to like 40 horses thats all I need lol. No my bad, sorry for lashing out.

The Hayabusa, and any other bike IS restricted to whatever you want it to be. It's YOUR wrist. You decide how far you twist it, not the bike. Riding a powerful bike is just as much about self control as it is skill. If you can not control yourself no amount of skill will save your ass. If you can control yourself, then riding a powerful bike does not really take much more skill than a 250.

**Dean** · 24th September 2009, 20:11

Originally Posted by Maki

The Hayabusa, and any other bike IS restricted to whatever you want it to be. It's YOUR wrist. You decide how far you twist it, not the bike. Riding a powerful bike is just as much about self control as it is skill. If you can not control yourself no amount of skill will save your ass. If you can control yourself, then riding a powerful bike does not really take much more skill than a 250.

Ive heard of that before "its all in the wrist" I definately respect your view point on this and Im not an experienced rider like you're, me personally I dont think its as simple as self controll (I know I havent got experience on big powerfull bikes but my zeal can get me in trouble just as some scooters can, same concept). Surely a powerfull bike would require being opened up now and then instead of me labouring it around at 50kph all day, and it is human nature to atleast once open the throttle is it not? Being a powerfull bike it would make me get from point A to Point B faster than most road users so braking incase a person pulls out would be hard. Acceleration would surely be quite jumpy, little mistakes like leaning on the throttle at traffc lights - front end comes up.

**Maki** · 24th September 2009, 20:22

Originally Posted by Dean

Surely a powerfull bike would require being opened up now and then instead of me labouring it around at 50kph all day, and it is human nature to atleast once open the throttle is it not? .

You have a good point. Yes, she must be opened up now and again, she demands it. I guess it does take some skill and experience to understand where and when it is safe to do so.

**Dean** · 24th September 2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by Maki

I guess it does take some skill and experience to understand where and when it is safe to do so.

Thats what I dont have hence my reason for not wanting to even hop on a powerfull superbike until I and a mentor are confident I am ready however long that may take. Im sure with your r6 you made sure you were in the right mindset to ride it, you were confident in your skills.

**racefactory** · 24th September 2009, 20:59

Originally Posted by Reido

my main issue was this

1998 VFR400 NC30 "182.0 kg" (Dry)
2007 R6 "161.9 kg" (Dry)
(from www.bikez.com)

Power I can handle, thats under my control. My Self control when I start riding my R6 is going to have to be solid. I think I can do it.

Total bull, don't know where you got that toss from. An NC30 is 165kg, amazing considering it is 20 years old. Even reputable performance bike magazines such as the Uk's PB admit with ease that the VFR will out corner an R6, this bike is special and should be left out of this comparison. Got the full review on it, corner trap speeds and all, the thing just lays waste to bigger bikes. NC30 is one special bike..

I haven't taken a litre bike peg and knee down, neither braking to the point of lock or anything, so i can't contribute to the general argument here. However I can't imagine riding anything faster around a corner than a TZR250 the thing is insane, and i'll admit too that with peg and knee down it's faster than the NC30. Of course I'm talking on behalf of the RGV's and the NSR. 118kg, for christ's sake that's 10kg lighter than a tiny pos ginny 250. Sorry guys surely you can't compare these insane machines to the big bikes?

Used to do quite a bit of roundabout surfing on a rarely used roundabout and really got a feel for mid corner speed at full lean, there is a difference. Can't describe it too accurately as you are certainly not in the best position to eye your speedo when you've got the bike fully cranked just at the point before the front goes vague, with just over a 60kph max speed on a tzr250 the nc30 was definately a little short of the 60 mark and also felt that way too, in other words am sure it was not down to speedo error. Lol ok post over, I find this stuff interesting.

**Reido** · 24th September 2009, 22:16

Originally Posted by trademe900

Total bull, don't know where you got that toss from. An NC30 is 165kg, amazing considering it is 20 years old. Even reputable performance bike magazines such as the Uk's PB admit with ease that the VFR will out corner an R6, this bike is special and should be left out of this comparison. Got the full review on it, corner trap speeds and all, the thing just lays waste to bigger bikes. NC30 is one special bike..

Im not putting the VFR down or anything
i really considered getting one. But for me the looks is very important (im shallow lol ) and the R6 just looks soo fuckin sexy

VFR still looks nice, especially the one with anger eyebrows, very cool.

Might get one as a 2nd bike once i pay off my R6