Why...

[FJRider]

The PC thing to do in Parliament nowdays, when shit happens around the country. A new law is introduced ... supposedly to stop it happening ... AGAIN.


So in the news at the moment ....

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/6104...thout-license/


NO drivers licence ...

Under the influence ...

Speeding ...

So....... if there are laws against doing this ... how could it happen.

And ...

If more laws are passed to "prevent" bad shit happening ... will it really stop it... or slow it down ... or just more of the same ... ???

[Thaeos]

Thing is none of these laws will ever prevent someone from doing them. If they are caught then ok a serious accident may have been prevented, but if someone is going to be an idiot then, well, they're going to be an idiot and that's about it.

[mstriumph]

never mind that - is there a law somewhere that allows burning at the stake for journalists who use a verb instead of a noun in their headlines??

[Clockwork]

Does this mean we're not going to be allowed to ride without a license anymore?

[Usarka]

Lower the speed limit.
Make training mandatory.
Introduce compulsory 3rd party insurance.


Sorted.

[ghost]

What about this one,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10600013

They want to lower the speed limit? After a driver failed to stop? WTF. "Failed to stop" New speed limit = Stopped.
" can you get of your bike sir, you were exceeding the stopped limit........"

Suppose it just proves the point of being having to be a retard to ride a pushie...

[firefighter]

What about this one,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10600013

They want to lower the speed limit? After a driver failed to stop? WTF. "Failed to stop" New speed limit = Stopped.
" can you get of your bike sir, you were exceeding the stopped limit........"

Suppose it just proves the point of being having to be a retard to ride a pushie...

Saw this on breakfast. What a knee jerk reaction this is to a one off.

I fail to see the connection between stopping at a stop sign and the speed limit.
Failing to stop is due to innattention or poor discipline, not the posted speed....

Man I wanted an anvil to fall on that stupid bitches head this-morning!

[p.dath]

Thing is none of these laws will ever prevent someone from doing them. If they are caught then ok a serious accident may have been prevented, but if someone is going to be an idiot then, well, they're going to be an idiot and that's about it.

Confiscate the vehicles of repeat offenders - the only way to deal with idiots. Remove their privielge of having a car.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

If more laws are passed to "prevent" bad shit happening ... will it really stop it... or slow it down ... or just more of the same ... ???

No law at all will stop someone doing what they intend on doing if the want to...

so I loose my license If I want to ride my bike nothing will stop me while I still have a bike to ride...if they take my bike, and a mate offers me his to ride...

Why because the laws deal with the result not the core issue therefore it will always happen... its like putting on a band aid for internal bleeding covers the external bleeding and lslows the loose of blood but you still die because the core issue of internal bleed is still there... You want to change the way people think over all, to take responsibilty for thier actions (acc no fault system is flawed no responibilty)

Till that happens and we have a radical rethink obver the way we think.. we as a human race have not advanced at all...

[FJRider]

never mind that - is there a law somewhere that allows burning at the stake for journalists who use a verb instead of a noun in their headlines??

KB has its own breed of attack dog ... a Grammar Hound ... (Hitcher) once he has the scent of bad grammar...

[FJRider]

No law at all will stop someone doing what they intend on doing if they want to...

You want to change the way people think over all, to take responsibilty for their actions (acc no fault system is flawed no responsibilty)

Till that happens and we have a radical rethink over the way we think.. we as a human race have not advanced at all...

The main problem is, some just do not think ...

There ARE times when no laws on the books, will ever prevent stuff happening ...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...h-speed-chase/

Parental responsibility needs more emphasis it would seem ....

[marty]

What about this one,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10600013

They want to lower the speed limit? After a driver failed to stop? WTF. "Failed to stop" New speed limit = Stopped.
" can you get of your bike sir, you were exceeding the stopped limit........"

Suppose it just proves the point of being having to be a retard to ride a pushie...

actually having a lower speed limit could well have prevented this happening - slowing to a stop from 30km/h is a lot less than slowing to a stop from 50k, also the idea that having to merge into traffic travelling at 50k requires a much more aggressive acceleration from a stop than only having to get to 30, so there less need to have to roll thru a stop sign keeping some momentum up, if you only need to get to 30k.

this could just as easily been a group of motorcyclists travelling at 40km/h (about the speed of a cyclist bunch ride on the waterfront), or you and your family crossing the road on foot - your pushie comment is not warranted.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10600013

They want to lower the speed limit? After a driver failed to stop? WTF. "Failed to stop" New speed limit = Stopped.
" can you get of your bike sir, you were exceeding the stopped limit........"

Suppose it just proves the point of being having to be a retard to ride a pushie...

stupid eh, and yes a knee jerk reaction... but notice nothing to change the way the cyclist does things like full protective gear, and bubble suit... daytilme lights on the push bike, must ride in a way to do such and such etc

lowering speed limit not going to make them stop if they don't put the foot on their break pedal

like i said... another band aid and the core issue still there...


Least just make the maxiums speed in all vehicles 10kph... bugger lets all just walk

[ghost]

actually having a lower speed limit could well have prevented this happening - slowing to a stop from 30km/h is a lot less than slowing to a stop from 50k, also the idea that having to merge into traffic travelling at 50k requires a much more aggressive acceleration from a stop than only having to get to 30, so there less need to have to roll thru a stop sign keeping some momentum up, if you only need to get to 30k.

this could just as easily been a group of motorcyclists travelling at 40km/h (about the speed of a cyclist bunch ride on the waterfront), or you and your family crossing the road on foot - your pushie comment is not warranted.

Less need to roll through a stop sign? A stop sign is for stopping, thats the rules, the same rules that dictate speed limits, if you cant, stop at a stop sign, would you observe speed limits. Merging from a stop sign is the same from 30, 50 or 100kph zones. You merge into a gap that is big enough so the oncoming traffic does not have to avoid you. Speed limits have nothing to do with this.

It could have been a group of motorcycles ( traveling a 40, Tui anyone), but failing to stop would not bring on a call for speed limits. Having observed the behaviour of bicycle riders in large groups, I'm not surprised that their conclusion is lowering speed limits.... not the smartest bunch.....

[FJRider]

Perhaps...

:restrict maximum horsepower of all vehicles to 65 horsepower...
:restrict the sale of alcohol to those over 65 (with a note from a parent giving permission)
:lift the minimum driving age to 25.

90% of the current accidents could not happen. As would 90% of road deaths would not happen.