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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    If you fitted a directional tyre to my bike, and I crashed because I expected a particular performance... whose fault?
    i dont know anything about tyres but i know lots about walls, if the tyre was fitted the right way its your fault. the first poster needs to either post a better pic or push on the crack and see if it moves in, no matter what he is screwed regarding the landlord

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjim View Post
    the fact remains that if the wall wasnt leaned on or ran into the damage wouldnt have happened. NDORFN i see your a joiner if you made a kitchen and i stood on the bench and a join in the bench opened up is that my fault for standing on it or yours for not joining it properly, i suspect the crack isnt where the impact was but along a bit where there was no framing allowing the gib to go in and pop the joint, having spent over 30 years in the bldg industry and worked on lots of damaged rentals i have seen it lots of times
    Its about degree of abuse?? A kitchen bench should be able to be stood on, and a wall leaned on, end of argument manufacturers/installers fault. If the gib isn't joined on a stud installers fault. If it is and they have been big time wrestling and damaged the wall, their fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjim View Post
    i dont know anything about tyres but i know lots about walls
    Perhaps the person that constructed this wall - didn't?
    Would you butt 2 sheets of gib over a space? Or would you make sure that they butted on a stud, so that each edge could be fixed to (help) stop flex cracks?
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjim View Post
    the fact remains that if the wall wasnt leaned on or ran into the damage wouldnt have happened. NDORFN i see your a joiner if you made a kitchen and i stood on the bench and a join in the bench opened up is that my fault for standing on it or yours for not joining it properly, i suspect the crack isnt where the impact was but along a bit where there was no framing allowing the gib to go in and pop the joint, having spent over 30 years in the bldg industry and worked on lots of damaged rentals i have seen it lots of times
    You could fuck an elephant on the bench of a kitchen I made and if it cracks it's 100% my fault and it'd be replaced under warranty. The thing with fixing it is, if it's a join between two sheets of gib not situated on a stud, gibbing it is only going to hide the problem until the next time someone leans on it or whatever. You could be right about the impact being between studs levering the join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Perhaps the person that constructed this wall - didn't?
    Would you butt 2 sheets of gib over a space? Or would you make sure that they butted on a stud, so that each edge could be fixed to (help) stop flex cracks?
    Gib is fixed horizontally now, so you fit 2 sheets the length of the room and only have a seam at mid height, glued & screwed. Where the seam meets and is stopped is supported by 600mm spaced studs only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldrider View Post
    Gib is fixed horizontally now, so you fit 2 sheets the length of the room and only have a seam at mid height, glued & screwed. Where the seam meets and is stopped is supported by 600mm spaced studs only.
    Whatever. The point is that the edges are on studs or dwangs. Right?
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Nope. If the other guy is right, then it's poor construction practice that's at fault. You never have the edge of a gib sheet over a space in the framing.
    Has not the thread gone off topic, I was merely addressing that point.
    What is not clear is what the problem actually is.
    The photo shows what looks like an unstopped and un painted join.
    Further what is not clear is whether this is the problem, or the scuff mark that pierces the gib, that looks like something has fallen into it, and scraped on the way down, as per the authors description of how the damage occured.

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    More info please, the sheet on the right looks like villa board, in the right hand bottom corner of the photo looks looks like a bevelled edge, and appears to have a different texture. The dark colourings on the left of the seam may be gib soaking up water, oddly enough the one on the right isn't, but if it is villa board it is far more resistant. Is this join a corner, hard to tell by the photo.
    If it is the scrape mark, some lightly coloured wood filler applied, dried and lightly sanded would hide the trick. If it is water damage you need to contact the landlord.

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    If its gib i wouldnt worry much, the wall isnt cracked...

    Like was mentioned, get a tub of plaster and an old credit card and away you go. You can paint some other time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Go to your local hardware shop. They will have a small tub of Plus4 gib stop. Either that, or there are a few products in a 1ltr container that are fine for patching a small hole.

    Sure that isn't on a join line? It appears quite vertical.
    It is a join line, its where the 2 sheets of jib touch each other. You cant see it in the photo but there is a slight warping on the join between the 2 sheets going from the floor to celling. The jib on the right is pushed further into the wall, this may be caused by the hole for the fridge on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Nope. If the other guy is right, then it's poor construction practice that's at fault. You never have the edge of a gib sheet over a space in the framing.
    Agree a gib seem should always be stud centre.If its not one lean and its over.Also if its not any movement in the foundations which every house does will open it.If you cant feel timber behind the crack with a thin blade then I wouldnt shell up to repair it.Flat should be able to withstand general wear and tear(inludes leaning on a wall.Who doesnt?).

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    The wall is damaged. Walls dont damage themselves in my experience, something, or someone, did something to cause that crack. Now, as a landlord I am not interested in the hows of it really, I simply want it back how it was, unless of course an earthquake caused it, or a car hitting the otherside of the wall caused it then I would care and claim my insurance.

    Makes no mind how it happened. How big is this crack, as MSTRS says it is impossible to tell from your pics. I have let cracks in walls go before today as it could be explained by wear and tear from the building moving or what have you. Give us a birds eye view of the wall so we can see exactly how bad it is.

    You will not get brownie points for repairing it and not doing a good job of it, that wall will need to be fully repainted to make it look anything like what it did before, unless you have access to the exact shade of paint it is painted and you get away with a bright, freshly painted area in the middle of the lounge room wall on final inspection. All that will happen if you do a crap job is the landlord will not accept the repair and get someone else to do it properly and you get to pay twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    It is a join line, its where the 2 sheets of jib touch each other. You cant see it in the photo but there is a slight warping on the join between the 2 sheets going from the floor to celling. The jib on the right is pushed further into the wall, this may be caused by the hole for the fridge on the other side.
    Define whole for fridge.Is it a single side lined wall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Define whole for fridge.Is it a single side lined wall?
    Well on the other side of that piece of jib is the abcess for the fridge, how do i check if its a single side lined wall?

    the crack is also about 30 cm long

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