Speeding

**p.dath** · 29th September 2009, 17:35

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Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
So how are you more likely to die travelling at 100km/h than 120km/h, that you say is a fact? What have you based this "fact" on?
Who cares?

At 120km/h 'somebody' could give you a ticket, THAT is what counts.

Not if you live or die, that's immaterial.

Originally Posted by scumdog

Who cares?

At 120km/h 'somebody' could give you a ticket, THAT is what counts.

Not if you live or die, that's immaterial.

Because people are trying to support a view by putting forward something as fact. Effectively they are making up facts to support a view which probably isn't true.
It is not likely to be true that travelling at 100km/h means you are more likely to die than travelling at 120km/h.

**p.dath** · 29th September 2009, 17:36

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

...but but but - that suggests speed isn't the only issue??? Nooooo - surely not?

No one has ever said speed is the only issue. What made you think this?

Speed is a contributing factor. That is what has always been said.

**NDORFN** · 29th September 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by p.dath

No one has ever said speed is the only issue. What made you think this?

Speed is a contributing factor. That is what has always been said.

Ummm... possibly that the majority of propaganda focuses on speed, the excessive fines for speeding etc... Gives us the impression that speed is atleast the major factor.

**scumdog** · 29th September 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by p.dath

No one has ever said speed is the only issue. What made you think this?

Reading KB made ME think that....

**Grahameeboy** · 29th September 2009, 17:43

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

umm - what?

Common sense says you get 100/120ths of the reaction time should anything happen... so the chances of a random "oopsie" having an effect are increased. by 20%

Physics says that you have 44% more kinetic energy at 120 than at 100 so that oopsie just got a lot more painful with an increased likelihood of being terminal, especially if that ebergy gets imparted to you all at once (i.e. are stopped by a tree rather than the friction of the tarseal).

Putting that aside.....

.....speed does not kill or cause accidents...if it did this site would not exist.

I have on occasions hit 200kph plus....but they are in far away places where the elves....sorry...where was I....where there are no other cars or buildings...and it lasts all of 30 secs....on group rides it is not uncommon for group speed to be around 130/140kph....have not been on a ride where anyone was killed....that accident on the Coro a short while ago, according to the guy following, was doing about 70kph on a slow bend...caught some gravel...oncoming car did not help mind..but you and I are oldies and we are still alive...just

**Grahameeboy** · 29th September 2009, 17:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

Reading KB made ME think that....

You intellects...................

**Grahameeboy** · 29th September 2009, 17:44

Originally Posted by scumdog

Reading KB made ME think that....

In all seriousness though SD do you really think that speed is the main factor...."Mum's the word"

**Mom** · 29th September 2009, 17:47

Originally Posted by p.dath

So how are you more likely to die travelling at 100km/h than 120km/h, that you say is a fact? What have you based this "fact" on?

We get told it all the time, speed kills, ergo exceed the speed limit and you will die, far out, you are obviously a very new member here to have not got that message loud and clear. I have been known to refer to the open road as the exceed 100kph and dieway.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

umm - what?

Common sense says you get 100/120ths of the reaction time should anything happen... so the chances of a random "oopsie" having an effect are increased. by 20%

Physics says that you have 44% more kinetic energy at 120 than at 100 so that oopsie just got a lot more painful with an increased likelihood of being terminal, especially if that ebergy gets imparted to you all at once (i.e. are stopped by a tree rather than the friction of the tarseal).

Dont talk sense Ned, it baffles the populace

EDIT: I have a really novel idea here, lets all ride the speed we want to, the one that suits us at the time. If it is faster than the rules allow and we get caught we take it like a man and not a snivelling school boy. If it is at or around the speed limit we dont get given shit for being a nana rider. Oh hells teeth, while we are at it, lets just accept the rules (apart from the learner 70kph one, that needs ammending) and either obey them or not as we see fit.

**NDORFN** · 29th September 2009, 17:48

Originally Posted by Mom

We get told it all the time, speed kills, ergo exceed the speed limit and you will die, far out, you are obviously a very new member here to have not got that message loud and clear. I have been known to refer to the open road as the exceed 100kph and dieway.

Dont talk sense Ned, it baffles the populace

I'm so glad we've got a male Prime Minister again.

**Morcs** · 29th September 2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by p.dath

Because people are trying to support a view by putting forward something as fact. Effectively they are making up facts to support a view which probably isn't true.
It is not likely to be true that travelling at 100km/h means you are more likely to die than travelling at 120km/h.

You really dont get the point im making do you?
When you sit on the open road at 100kph on easy stretches of road, are you hanging on, scared shitless?

What happens when you watch a really boring film, or read a really boring book? you either do something else to keep the mind stimulated, or you fall asleep.

People like you really are here to try and make KB boring.
Go sit in your Wiki and write articles of how we are supposed to ride.

**Mom** · 29th September 2009, 17:52

Originally Posted by NDORFN

I'm so glad we've got a male Prime Minister again.

I would take that as an insult but I agree with you in this instance

**nodrog:Me** · 29th September 2009, 17:59

most of KB cant break the speed limit anyway, 5% arent old enough to get a licence, 5% dont have motorbikes, and 89% cant stay logged off for the required time it takes to put on a helmet, let alone go for a fuckin ride.

**NDORFN** · 29th September 2009, 18:03

Originally Posted by nodrog

most of KB cant break the speed limit anyway, 5% arent old enough to get a licence, 5% dont have motorbikes, and 89% cant stay logged off for the required time it takes to put on a helmet, let alone go for a fuckin ride.

It's been raining alot. Shuddup.

**p.dath** · 29th September 2009, 18:21

Originally Posted by Morcs

You really dont get the point im making do you?
When you sit on the open road at 100kph on easy stretches of road, are you hanging on, scared shitless?

What happens when you watch a really boring film, or read a really boring book? you either do something else to keep the mind stimulated, or you fall asleep.

People like you really are here to try and make KB boring.
Go sit in your Wiki and write articles of how we are supposed to ride.

How about if you concede that there is no evidence to support that you more more likely to die riding at 100km/h than 120km/h? Your trying to say it is okay to speed based on a false pretence.
Now I could believe it if you said its just more fun riding at 120km/h. At least your building a case on something that is more measurable and real.

At the end of the day, the deaths from being "bored shitless" are very low compared to those that involved speed as a contributing factor. I would give you the reference to those accidents, but I doubt you would believe them.
I will grant you that 20km/h over the limit is not a criminal offence. So we don't need to make a huge fuss over it do we?

And if this goes back to the thread about loosing your licence through demerit points about speeding by 20km/h - then that has also been disproven as propaganda. You will not loose your licence by going over the speed limit once by 20km/h.

Basically people have been making up facts to argue that they are correct.