Wellington Parking - They are about to clamp down on bike parking

**Bretman** · 30th September 2009, 07:45

Originally Posted by davebullet

I was parked on private land (Jon Visser confirmed this in an earlier post) and got the same warning notice today. I think The Council needs to educate staff about which areas are private parking vs. obvious footpath parking.

I'll keep parking there and see what happens....

I'm with you on this one... I'm generally supportive of parking enforcement staff, but its a bit of a wind-up to imply you will be ticketed for parking on private property.

**Nasty** · 30th September 2009, 07:49

Originally Posted by davereid

Interesting report.

Of course, the car is rated per passenger. The train is rated per seat.

Neiher the car or the train is ever full. But if the car were, it would be well over twice the trains efficiency.

We really need to challenge this drivel that "public transport is sustainable and green.

Cos its not. No matter how many times they say it is.

Interesting you say the train is never full .. you obviously haven't been catching them in Wellington where you can't get a seat.

**sinned** · 30th September 2009, 09:36

I don't see what the issue is with leaflets being left on any and every motorcycle in sight. Some of those parked legally or on private property and receiving a notice may next week or sometime soon seek a park in another place. At least they will have been warned.

Get over it. Be

**Nasty** · 30th September 2009, 09:43

Originally Posted by sinned

I don't see what the issue is with leaflets being left on any and every motorcycle in sight. Some of those parked legally or on private property and receiving a notice may next week or sometime soon seek a park in another place. At least they will have been warned.

Get over it. Be

One of the guys here at council had one put on his bike .. .couldn't read it as it feel apart after getting it off the handle .. maybe doing it in the rain is not a good idea.

**Swoop** · 30th September 2009, 10:17

Originally Posted by icemotoboy

I particularly didn't think about the implications for blind people walking along and falling over a parked bike. That IS a real concern.

I believe this is a bit of a red herring. A blind person uses a cane to detect any object in their path. Someone could put their bag in the middle of the footpath and they would detect it.

Originally Posted by Bretman

If it was just an informative leaflet, then you're right, but it wasn't worded that way.

It is an information campaign. Logically, every bike should get information. If you parked legally and missed out on getting a leaflet, then parked "illegally" the next day........ I'm sure the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be heard far and wide by all bikers affected.

**Clockwork** · 30th September 2009, 10:55

Originally Posted by Swoop

I believe this is a bit of a red herring. A blind person uses a cane to detect any object in their path. Someone could put their bag in the middle of the footpath and they would detect it.

Agreed, complete red herring. No blind person can expect public areas to remain entirely static for safe navigation, thats why they have canes and dogs.

Incidently, I was parked on the road and left about 4pm yesterday, I had no notice attached to my bike, does this mean its ok parked where it is?

**davebullet** · 30th September 2009, 12:06

Originally Posted by Ixion

.... And ignore the fact that you can't just stockpile trains at the end of the line.

I've witnessed the Johnsonville train "stockpile" itself at both ends of the line

**Drogen Omen** · 30th September 2009, 14:03

Did any of you welly KB'rs get one of these notices on your bike yesterday?

If you didn’t or it got too wet and mangled to read it, here it is.

Please Park with Consideration

There aren’t enough on-street parks for motorcycles.

If you are parking all day, please consider parking in a commercial parking building. Your bike will be more secure and sheltered from the weather and you will be guaranteed a space. We have negotiated with the city’s parking providers to get motorcycle parking at reduced rates.

You may want to get together with friends or colleagues to share a parking space in a private garage – check with your building owner or employer.

Parking anywhere other than in designated motorcycle parking spaces is hazardous, illegal or a nuisance to others. Motorcycles and scooters that continue to park illegally will soon start to receive tickets.

Absolutely Positively Wellington City Council

This is fucking bullshit... I can’t believe they keep making it harder for bikers... didn’t ACC costs go up a couple months ago also???

Bastards... they have noticed there is too many bikes on the roads and not enough cars so they put more tax on the petrol starting this week, plus another 3cents by the end of the year, and they don’t even bother to put one car park aside for bikes on every street.

It’s just another one of those money things... “bikers aren’t paying for parking” on no we have to do something to fix that... “let’s force them to park in parking buildings“... “if that doesn’t work we will start charging bikes to park in bike parks”... “we have to squeeze some money out of them, after all it’s not fair on cagers having to pay for a car park”...

We need to do something about it... I know there must be some KBrs that work for the council..........

we'll for one, I'm gona keep parking on my usual spot. cause the spot i park in is private property and i have permission to park there from the building owner. the building boundaries go right down to the gutter almost so the council and park wise have no say... bitches...

**IdunBrokdItAgin** · 30th September 2009, 14:21

Just found this article.

Funny reading:
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=11230

Has anyone got details on who and where the reduced rate private parking for motorbikes are (or are going to be)?

I assume that these will have to be available to bikers before they can start ticketing for illegal parking?

**Drogen Omen** · 30th September 2009, 14:21

you'll see...
next thing every one will start cycling to work and then the council will bring in rego's for bikes...
and road user charges... hahahaha
maybe even WOF's

Geeeeeeeedy bastards...

**Drogen Omen** · 30th September 2009, 14:36

Jon Visser, 17. September 2009, 9:38

You can read all of my responses on the following bulletin board:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=106738

Basically we do not have any problems with a few motorcycles parking considerately and out of the way and we have turned a blind eye to this. Right now the community has a problem with this because building owners and retailers are getting upset, pedestrians are getting upset and people with sight impairment are getting hurt walking into motorcycles. They are all asking the Council to do something about this, and given that this activity is technically illegal we must take the side of the community that is asking for them to be removed. Given the huge and increasing deficit between motorcycles entering the CBD and the on-road parking spaces available, the Council has been working to increase not only the on-road spaces (which are very much constrained by the available space and the needs expressed by all types of users who all want more space) but also to secure good quality parkign access for motorcycles off the road in parking bu8ildings for greatly reduced fees. All major parking operators (Wilsons, Tournament and CarePark) are now prepared to offer well-lit, secure and guaranteed parking spaces for motorcycles from around $2.50 per day ($50 per month). Council’s campaign is therefore not to penalise motorcyclists or extort money from them, but to encourage them to park off the road as all other motor vehicles do. This campaign is costing the Council a considerable amount of money, and we are not asking riders to pay us a cent – all Council owned motorcycle parking spaces (including those in our Clifton Terrace Parking Garage) are free. Therefore anyone who implies that we are doing this to obtain revenue is entirely wrong – we are doing this at a cost and solely for the safety of pedestrians in support of our Footpath Management Policy:

http://www.wellington.govt.nz/plans/.../footpath.html

Jon Visser
Infrastructure Performance Manager
Wellington City Council

**James Deuce** · 30th September 2009, 14:42

Originally Posted by wild_weston

Just found this article.

Funny reading:
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=11230

Has anyone got details on who and where the reduced rate private parking for motorbikes are (or are going to be)?

I assume that these will have to be available to bikers before they can start ticketing for illegal parking?

There aren't any and Mr Visser has had to retract that there are ANY private car parks that have agreed to let motorcycles in for free or a reduced charge at the Council's behest. It will be a frosty day in hell before Wilson Parking lets anyone park a motorcycle at a reduced cost in one of their parks.

They are "in negotiation", however no details have been forthcoming.

The comment about blind people walking into motorcycles on footpaths is utter emotive bilge. The comment about building owners getting irate about motorcyclists parking illegally around the base of their buildings is in no small part due to a couple of building owners no longer allowing motorcycles to park in their basement or enclosed courtyard, a la the old Defence building in Stout St.

**Drogen Omen** · 30th September 2009, 14:45

??????????? Footpath managment policy...

is that why the council is going to convert the manners shoping area into a bus lane with footpaths on each side...?

every one know buss drivers buy their licenses online for $4.99 and can't tell the difference between footpaths and roads... and they have no idea what red lights mean or what speed signs are...

our Train system is shit an unreliable. our buses are never on time if they even turn up...

hmmm wonder if thats why the bus drivers refused to have GPS units installed in their buses... just incase they wanted to take the family out for a bus ride to illegally poach some paua and cray's...

Fix the transport system first Mr Jon Visser of Infrastructure Performance Manager at Wellington City Council ...

The biking seen is fine as it is...

**Drogen Omen** · 30th September 2009, 14:52

Can a protest be organised, such as parking a bunch of bikes in car parking spaces all near the council buildings be arranged?

this is sounding better and better... make thoes fat ass Council staff have to walk to work... see how they like it... pft... think they can make us park miles away from work... fuck them...